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Cud? Missing Letters? Educate Me

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 Posted 05/02/2006  8:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi Everyone. This is my first time loading an image here. I apologize ahead of time if it doesn't come out well. Then I will
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I a newbie on collecting eorrors so any ideas suggestions or anything else is welcomed. One nickel here has some letters missing on MONTICELLO, how did that happen? Dirty planchet? The other one has extra metal on it. Is that what is called a Cud? How did that happen?

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 Posted 05/03/2006  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello thingie Missing letters are generally caused by a filled (dirty) die. Dies occasionally get grease on them filling in parts of it which causes the coin to look mushy and lack detail in a certain location. These dont usually carry a premium in circulated grades but it is a nice oddity to have in a collection.

Extra metal is usually caused by a chipped or scratched die. A Cud is a slighty different version of this. To be a Cud, a die chip has to be at the rim of the coin forming a "blob" at the edge. I believe a true Cud carries a premium over just a run-of-the-mill die chip.
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Hi Thingee

Missing letters as Biokemist explained are usually the result of a filled die,when portions of the die become compacted with debris usually grease and or metal filings the coin metal cannot flow into the die,thus no detail of the affected area,, these type of errors seldom carry much value although even at .50 for a cent or a nickel is 50x face for the cent and 10x face for the nickel.

Cud's are often times looked at as extra metal when in fact they are not composed of extra metal, but are formed from normal size and weight planchet.
Cuds are a large die chip or break that occurs at or near the rim of a die, the coin metal flows into this void and forms a Cud,,

die chips inside of the detail of a coin are called die chips and often carry only a small premium but Cud's on the other hand have a fairly large base of collectors and carry a bit more depending upon size and location they can actually carry a very nice value !!



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 Posted 05/03/2006  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So I DO have a Cud!! Cool. I will also keep the one with missing letter because it's different or give it to another collector that collects that type of error. Thanks guys!! I came here to get educated and to share. I'm doing pretty good thanks to y'all!!
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 Posted 05/04/2006  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thingee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh okay. I have a die chip not a Cud. Right?
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You don't have a Cud. You have what is most likely a wealky struck coin where the letters simply didn't fill in the void in the die because of a lack of pressure.

A Cud is a die that breaks near the edge and the edge piece falls off leaving a void where there should be strike. The resulting coin will have what appears to be a bubble of extra metal near its edge. Nothing more than a portion of a coin that didn't get struck at all.
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The coin in question about a Cud is the nickel on top. There is what appears to be extra metal on the bottom which cover aprox. 1/3 of Jeff's bottom part of his jacket. There is no raised or lowered rim on the edge of that part of the coin. It is just leveled out from the extra metal. There is no indentations on that part of the coin. It's as if the coin was struck but then melted metal flowed back and covered part of it like a river. I will work on taking a better pic.
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I didn't see it in the image until you pointed it out specifically, but yes, that is a Cud. I take it back.

Of course a Cud is not the result of "extra metal" on a coin, it will weigh the exact same as a normally struck coin. The raised area is due to the absence of the die in that area, so the blank never got struck in that spot.
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