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Large Canadian Cent "Question"

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 Posted 09/23/2009  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's an excerpt from a CNA commentary:

"2 - NUMBER OF DIES USED: These figures indicate the number of obverse and reverse dies used to strike a particular denomination during a given year. As mentioned above, instances occurred when some dies used in the course of a year may have been manufactured and dated the previous year. It was also common practice in some years (mostly in the 1800s) to reprocess selected worn dies which had lost their sharpness of detail but were still otherwise sound. Such dies were softened, resunk and again prepared for coining. They were counted along with the new dies and included among the "number of dies used" for the year. Therefore, it is easily possible for a die (more likely an obverse die) to have been used to strike coins during one year and after being refinished, used again the following year. However, it is unlikely that such dies were in service for more than two years, since the refinishing process greatly reduced the die's life, making it much more susceptible to developing cracks which would eventually render it unfit for further use (for a more detailed explanation, see my article The Quality and Efficiency of Royal Mint Dies A Century Ago in the September 1978 issue of The Canadian Numismatic Journal."

he URL is: http://www.canadian-numismatic.org/review.php
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 Posted 09/23/2009  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zonad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Does't matter if the obverse was a obverse 2 over 1 when originally hubbed or if it was when the die was refurbished, we agree it seems to be a 2 over 1. If The Royal Mint sent dies to Heaton and Heaton had to pay for them? wouldn't heaton want to reverse produce their own punches so they could produce their own cheaper dies. Or were punches supplied to Heaton so they could produce dies? I don't know all the facts, but I am quite sure these are 2 over 1's. The Royal Mint would likely charge both Heaton and Canada for the dies, if they could get away with it. Perhaps the obverse 1 dies with the weak letters were the result of Heatons production of their own dies or using a die to produce a punch?
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 Posted 09/23/2009  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zonad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the last bead in the crown on you coin is stronger than the one in the third photo perhaps you have a obv 1 over two. first photo is obv 1, second is obv 2 and finally a blend of 2 over 1.


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 Posted 09/23/2009  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Zonad, The crown on my coin is like your first picture
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 Posted 09/23/2009  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zonad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's what I thought. Definitely a 1 over 2 possibility given the last bottom bead which is replaced by a new strand of hair in an obv.2.
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 Posted 09/24/2009  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add papeldog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Zonad, I must have grabbed the wrong 1882 coin I should have said that the third picture is my coin
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 Posted 09/24/2009  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adanak44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Opinion on this 1882H please.Large-Canadian-Cent- Large-Canadian-Cent- Large-Canadian-Cent- Large-Canadian-Cent- Large-Canadian-Cent- Large-Canadian-Cent- Large-Canadian-Cent-
Thanks.
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 Posted 09/25/2009  06:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bill in Burl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Without seeing the crown tip/bead junction and a rightside-up scan of the truncation/bead relationship with the C in Canada, I would say it's a well-worn Obv 1a. Sometimes it's possible on less-worn coins to get a Griffin number as well, but you have to see the whole Obv legend, especially the N's in Canada and Regina. Coins less than VF make it too difficult to see recuts or repunches for identification.
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