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There are too many coins with the same date with a dot in the same place to be a coincidence so what was going on.  The $1 is new to me, so to have 3 coin designs in '47 with a similar mark in a similar place strikes me as not coincidental. |
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Well as pointed out by several on this site it sounds like the dot is the result of a defective die and it would indicate it is a 47 leaf, still interesting that it's on 3 denominations.
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 I never could find any information regards to the 1947 "Dot" series. Anyone I've ever asked only answered on speculation or repeated rumours they heard. I personally own an I.C.C.S. Dot nickel and quarter, both in an MS-64 and an I.C.C.S. Dot silver dollar (Double HP) in an MS-60. I find that this variety is a sleeper coin that is not appreciated in the numismatic world yet. In my opinion it is highly underated and undervalued, but time will prove me right! Just watch.......  Glenn Edited by glenzy1
11/15/2009 12:09 pm
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I also have a dot 47 nickel...i love my dot!
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Glency..... you will be proven right.....  hopefully soon.... The latest will be when our US collector friends will start to seriously collect LOW mintage Canadian issues...like the Dollar series from 1945 to 1948...The Europeans have already seen the light...i predict prices will go up by 3 0-50 % within the next 12 months. just try and find a 1947 DOT in any of them, any grade. Never mind the double and single, or triple HP's OR die rotated or re-engraved/double punched. Mark my word... it will happen. Glency, what grade is your 1870 50 cent LCW? |
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 Hello Helmut, My 1870 half is an I.C.C.S., EF-45. As far as our Canadian coins go, please DO NOT TELL the Americans or the Europeans about our low mintage coins. I try to discourage outsiders from collecting Canadian coins: two reasons: 1) I hate to see our good stuff leaving Canada 2) It will drive the prices through the roof if Americans and Europeans start collecting Canadian coinage. Especially our Vicky's and Edwardian series that have such pathetically low mintages........and you can still buy 'em for a song in mint grades. I cringe at the thought of outsiders buying up our KEY's and do everything possible to demote Canadian coinage to outsiders every chance I get. You should too Helmut, next time you visit Europe! Glenn Edited by glenzy1
11/15/2009 2:05 pm
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Glenn, you are right... but they already get high auction prices, specially with NFL gold coins
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I agree we have a sleeping hobby here , when it wakes it should be fun to watch.
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Just to help put the record straight, the dots on the 1936 coins and the maple leafs on the 1947 coins are official mint issues, with the dots deliberately being put on the dies. The dots on the 1947 and 1956 coins are products of a deteriorated die- a pit in the chromium layer. The 1936 dot coins were made after the death of George V, and the 1947 maple leaf coins were made after the independance of India, when the new 1948 dies were not yet ready. There is also a bar on the 1936 quarters, and I have not heard about that being a deliberate mint issue. There has been some discussion about different sizes of dots on the 1936 issues, and the possibility of the small dot being filled in (by grease?) th explain the shortaqe of appearantly issued penies and dimes, as opposed to the relatively available quarters, but I have not heard anything either way. There was an interesting article a few years ago in CCN about a 1936 dot penny, where the dot appeared to be a different size than the regular "dot "issues, but it had been microscopically examined and did not appear to be a forgery- no change in surface texture, disruption to any part of the coin, but I never heard if that one was conclusively proven to be a genuine dot.
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 MMMMMMM, naaa I still don't buy the deteriorated die theory for the '47 Dot series. It's too coincidental that a 1947 nickel, quarter and dollar all have a DOT in the same area. How on earth could three different dies do this on their own for three different denominations for the same year? Way too coincidental. This would be like winning the lotto 6/49 with one insta-pic ticket three consecutive weeks in a row. I think this is a job for Ghost Busters or perhaps Coin Busters!  Glenn |
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Glenzy is right on,why I started this post< no way this happened in the same year on 3 different denominations in in relatively the same area on the same date. I would have to agree you would probably win the lotory 2 weeks in a row before this would happen. Think about this, 150 years of mintage 4 years have dot annomally 36,37,47,56,. Thats 6 coins in 7 denominations over 150 years, some 1200 coins or close I think depending how many varieties you like,X the position of the dot relative to the surface area possible for the errror to appear. Then add into the idea that the others were 36 1-25 cent,37 5 cent,and 56 10 cent [die error]are explanable. That would make me think there is somthing to be said for the idea that the dot could be an incomplete leaf.At any rate this is worth better explanation, your input is appreciated.
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A few ideas before we go off too far. 1) Chromium was not used for plating dies until after the second world war (1946-). This is shown by the huge increase in quality of coinage after the war. 2) the 1936 and 1937 dot coinage were deliberate, made by the mint for a definate reason. 3) there are many other dot coins. They have not been publicized as much, so are not as well known. I saw one last night on this forum which had a dot before the legend on a modern Canadian dime. I have seen many in the 1999 and 2000 coinage issues. I have some interesting ones in my own collection. Check the catalogue made in Quebec ( I can't remember the name at this point, but it has many variations, and the photographs are superb), or the other variety catalogues. 4) The maple leaf is a punch, applied to a master die. I suppose it is possible for a centre punch mark to be put on a die, and then the maple leaf not applied, but that is stretching it a lot. 5) I think that the dots around the date are noticed more, because we look there specially. How many times do we examine the entire surface of the coins under magnification? I will be coming out with a whole series of unlisted varieties that I have found on proof-like sets, because I sat down and did that- these are principally detached jewels on the 1979-1989 coinage, of most denominations.- but the principal is the same- seek and ye shall find.
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Hi, I think there are 1947 specialist here :-) ... can you help me to identify if it is a dot error 1947 canadian dime please. https://goccf.com/t/56518Thank's |
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