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Morgans, Placing In Albums, Break Open Slabs Or Not

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I am seeking an over all opinion on what I am doing, I have been collecting Morgan silver dollars for a very long time.

I just decided to use the sweet new Whitman albums( Dansco like) to place my Morgans in,the albums with the plastic sliding windows to view your coins through, no more 2x2's in binders. Here in lies my reason for seeking advice, I have placed many of my "raw" coins in the albums, I might start another set being I have a lot of doubles, but Now I am at the point where I have to finish this set of albums and this is where my problem is, I have many coins slabbed and wanted to know what my peers feel or think about what I am trying to decide on what to do.

I wanted to settle the natural urge I have to fill holes in albums, in order to do this I need to "break out" my slabbed coins and fill the holes in these albums, what would you do, not break the coins out and leave them in the slabs in a binder or break out the coins, fill the holes, and as I have seen before in some of the other members albums, mount the labels from the slabs to the back page of each album for the sake of knowing that is what they were graded and who ever should be the next care giver would know the information.I have over the years kept the Morgans in 2x2's in a binder, also stored the slabs in cases and storage safety deposit boxes.I feel it is a long time coming to get things more organized and together.There are some very sweet key dated coins in these slabs.

I will never ( well I hope never )sell this or any of the vast coins or currency I have amassed over the 45+ years of collecting. I wanted to get a feel for this from some of the other knowledgeable, collectors I have come to respect and appreciate their opinions over the years and quite honestly, I feel I should break them out and keep things all together, but there is this little voice inside saying don't do it, then the set will be in too many albums and binders, well you can see why I am seeking advice, ALL opinions are sought, Be Well, Mike....PS: It took a long time to get to this level to now do this.
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 Posted 10/05/2009  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RFB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I break my slabs open so obviously I'm biased. I am routinely chastised for doing so by others for several reasons. I will try to be concise about my position. 1st off, please don't bother trying to tell me how they will be worth less or damaged by being outside of the slabs. (no, not directed at anyone in particular)Nothing is worse than being spoken to like as if you are an 8 year old regarding your own collection. As if I didn't know what I even own. I fully understand the significance of tiny marks or micro scratches to the values. How tight the scrutiny is on high grades.

If you are careful, it is rather difficult to actually drop a MS65 any grading points if handling it properly. However an MS 68+ does NOT really belong in a Dansco in my opinion unless you are rather experienced at handling these coins in the raw state. Not rocket science but care and technique is required. Very easy for a slight mishap to cost you a grade point and the large money attached to it if unprepared

I know how my post must sound, but I am outspoken about the BS surrounding grading companies. The value of a top company's slab DOES grease the wheels for the event of selling the coins. We can argue semantics about the validity or how it SHOULD work, but the fact is the very same coins in the very same condition will sell for higher when in a PCGS or other top TPG slab.

If you are going to sell, keep them in the slab. If they are investment grade such as MS68 or above I would advise to keep them slabbed as they are to be considered rather delicate for Dansco duty unless you possess the experience and want the stress of the actual handling. Never underestimate how stressful it can be to hold certain coins in the raw state.

It is something to carefully consider but most important is to be honest with yourself and your timeline.

If I do for some reason decide to sell someday. I will undoubtedly have to re-submit some of the coins just for sake of the counterfeit market scaring the prices of raw coins. I am not wealthy but my coin collection is not at risk for the chopping block if some unforeseen thing in life sidesteps me. I plan to keep my coins for another 40 years. I know the pros and cons of such choices and have decided to open the slabs and enjoy the coins. With all the above rantings, I DO own slabbed coins. I do keep some in the slab just for sake of security for the grade, but for an MS65 or such I wouldn't think twice about breaking the slab to enjoy the coin in a Dansco or other high quality book.

I just recently went on a cracking session and filled some books. I had tried for years for various books and just never liked them. Then I decided to take the plunge and go Dansco all the way. All uniform and clean. Easy to find and see EVERYTHING. I was so tired of the jumbled stacks and long boxes all packed into the safes. No matter how organized, I was NEVER happy with them.

Now I am. I really am. My vote is take some time to reflect and really make the choice that best fits your own position and comfort level. We all have different opinions on this subject, but that's mine.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

-RFB



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 Posted 10/05/2009  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would offer an opinion, but RFB pretty much said it all.
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 Posted 10/05/2009  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hippiebrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with the above two statements. I personally unslab any coins that are going into my sets, as I don't plan on selling in my lifetime. I keep an ongoing list (and have been updating my will) on which coins should be submitted prior to sale, so my daughter has some idea of what to do with them should something happen to me, but right now these are my coins and I'm going to enjoy them in all their splendor!
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 Posted 10/05/2009  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My opinion is, as always, to free all coins from their slabs and insert them into an album. I have not bought a slabbed coin yet, but the time is coming. I do not collect high-grade MS coins, so I never think twice about putting them into an album.
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 Posted 10/05/2009  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peaceman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Put them in the album.... you'll be glad you did it. :)
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 Posted 10/05/2009  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After reading the above comments, I guess I will be the one to take a different track. The key dates, if in pcgs or ngc plastic, I would leave in the plastic. A drop of a single grade on a 93-s or 89-cc could mean a significant drop in value for whomever eventually sells them, and to be resold they need to be reslabbed. Even if you don't plan on selling them in your lifetime, your heirs may...... JMHO.
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 Posted 10/05/2009  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cownas22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am one who prefers to leave the coins in the slab. There are ways of making putting them in an album. Lighthouse makes slabbed coin pages the fit into a 3-ring binder and holds 9 coins per page. There are also people who make nice album pages for slabs. I find it unnecessary to take a coin out of the slab then later pay $20 per coin to re-holder...If I did that with my type set (around 90+ coins) it would cost $1,800 in re-holdering fees...for that I would rather buy an AU $5 Classic Head Half Eagle (still need it for the type set)...Just my opinion...I also do not really care for the slabbed coins to be housed in row boxes (where mine are right now) am hoping to upgrade that system to nice pages where I can keep the coins slabbed.

If you are keeping the info with the coin, If you tried to sell it later just having that info does not mean the coin is still in said condition, handling, placing in an album, pulling it back out of album, ect could of dropped it's grade, so the paper slip would not hold any extra value for me if I was a buyer.

Different Strokes for Different Folks, do what makes you happy, esp. if you are not concerned about future value.
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 Posted 10/05/2009  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have no problem in cracking a slab to place the coin in an album. If I am not planning on selling the coin any time soon and I have a hole that coin will fill I will crack it out before I even ask myself if I should or not. If the coin was purchased for a good deal and I thought I may want to sell some time for a profit then I may leave in in the slab because its ease of sale
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 Posted 10/05/2009  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tumbleweedtrumpet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't open them.
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I'm a slab cracker from way back. (My father and his father were slab crackers!)

I MUCH prefer the look of a completed coin album than a stack of slabs.

True though, if the coin is slabbed, you lose the grading for that coin once you crack the slab. It doesn't exist for that coin anymore. The grade is only good as long as that coin was locked in that slab.

If you plan to sell it, you may very well want to keep it safe and slabbed.

But I sell nothing. (Not entirely true, but very close!)
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But I sell nothing.
Neither do I!

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(Not entirely true, but very close!)
Only because you give them away in your way cool contests.
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With all the opinions I have read, I feel I might be a pretty, pretty, quick to jump person, I Now feel I will complete the album, and Make my own pages to mount in the album from store bought sleeves, and this way I will feel pretty, pretty, good about the whole thing.

I appreciate the time and knowledge and expertise in the opinions given, I can Not be a cracker, my Father was Not a cracker nor was His Father, simply put, either your a cracker or your not, crackers are just Not in this the family!
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For me personally, I agree with all others who strongly prefer to remove the coins and place into an album. However, to me it is a "risk vs. reward" issue. Say you purchase a $500 Au-55 coin. First off, how is the market for the coin raw? If it is not a heavily counterfeited type, there wouldn't be as much risk to sell for full value raw. Also, how much money would you lose if it downgraded? The difference between AU-55 and AU-50 for many coins is quite minimal....so not much risk. I'd crack it. (My certified Seated and Trade dollars in my type set were pushing the "risk/reward ratio".)

However, say you purchase an MS-65 coin for $4000. The difference between 64 and 65 could be several grand. Or if it's a type that is often faked, you will really need certification to get full value for it.

So for me, it really depends on the coin. When I purchase coins that I'm going to de-slab and place in an album, I try to purchase them at a grade that carries little risk.
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I have no slabbed coins. One nice thing about being old is you really no longer care about a lot of stuff. A slabbed coin is for someone that is considering selling it tomorrow or someday in the future. As you get older, this is the future so if you haven't sold your slabbed coins yet, you may well never have time to do that.
I've purchased many slabbed coins in the past. I always make it clear to the seller I refuse to pay for the slab so if the price for the coins are for the coins only, then I'll buy them. Many, many have been cut open so the coins could go to the my Albums where they belong. I just can't imagine those individuals with hundreds or thousands of slabbed coins. Need a separate room just for those.
One thing I suggest is being careful opening them to keep the little information sticker in good shape. I place a separate blank page just inside the cover of my albums and tape those on there. I only tape the top of those so that if I move the coin to another Album, that sticker goes with it. I really don't know why I do that though since I really have no intention of ever selling a coin and at my age, if I do I'd better get moving or it's to late.
I sometimes wonder who inherits this mess will wonder why I keep those things on the inside cover of the Albums. Since they are not attached to the coin, who knows if it is for the coin in the Album.
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 Posted 10/09/2009  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew289 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ofcourse coin collectors never sell their collections but their heirs do after the collector has died.

If a coin is slabbed and you paid over $500 for it. Leave it in the slab. You heirs will not lose money when they sell it after you are gone. The crime that most collectors commit is not telling their heirs what is valuable and what isn't so when the collectors die, it all gets sold to a dealer who low balls the heir because he/she doesn't know any better as they were "Dad's coins" and he never said much about them.

Heirs aren't interested in pulling key dates out of albums and resubmitting to PGCS or NGC. They take the whole album down to "lou" the friendly dealer. "Lou" offer a album price that he knows he can double if he breaks up the collection and sells it off coin by coin, so the heir takes the deal. It's cash in hand.
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