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 Posted 10/05/2009  11:56 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add b17commander to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
After reading some of the comments, I see that using acetone is safe for the cleaning of Morgan dollars.

My question is, here in the UK when I search the websites for acetone, most of the hits come back with, "Nail Varnish Remover, Pure Acetone 99.5%" is this the same stuff? or should I be typing/looking for something else?

Thanks
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 Posted 10/05/2009  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Were I you, I'd be looking for chain hardware stores (Wilkinson?) with Paint sections - acetone is a useful solvent in painting, and is best located in pure form at a paint store.

Edit: Be aware, as an organic solvent, there is much that acetone *will not* do for a silver coin. Consideration must be given to the resulting appearance of the coin - the patina might be different underneath whatever the acetone removes, as the rest of the coin would have aged differently.
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In the US, nail polish removers that contain acetone also typically have colorings, fragrance, nail conditioners, etc in them. However, the fact that you found it listed as "Pure Acetone 99.5%" bodes well since that is basically reagent grade acetone. As SuperDave mentioned, acetone from a paint supply store would probably be your best bet as that should not have any additives at all. Always do an evaporation test to determine purity- let a small amount of acetone evaporate in a glass dish. If no residue or haziness is left on the glass, it is safe to use for coins. Always remember to rinse the coin in clean acetone after a soaking!
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 Posted 10/05/2009  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tumbleweedtrumpet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would recommend not cleaning them.
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A dunking in acetone is not cleaning in the numismatic sense, which is a damaging process. Neutral wet methods like the use of acetone and other organic solvents are considered to be conservation since it does not alter the metal of the coin and will only remove surface contaminants.
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 Posted 10/06/2009  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I would recommend not cleaning them.


Although Acetone dipping is not considering cleaning, there could be some nasty results from doing that. For example unless you really research the methods of usage, you could end up paying a horrible price for that attempt. And if your not attempting to clean those coins, what is the purpose of dipping in Acetone.
Way to may people just blurt out dip it in Acetone without realizing that there are numerous individuals out there that read that and end up with almost fatal results.
To start with, look up the ATSDR on the internet. That is the Agency for Toxic Substances & Disease Registry.
Then too it should always be mentioned to do a search on this forum for Acetone. There are many, many posts about that subject. Not enough caution could be placed on flamable substances.
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Ditto on the warning. Acetone is a volatile and flammable substance. Its fumes will cause liver damage over time, and a great big headache if used in an inadequately ventilated room.

You want acetone as pure as you can find it. Start by going to your local "chemist" (USA=Pharmacist) and ask if you can order pure drug or food grade acetone. At the very least you want reagent grade Acetone. This is to avoid impurities like WATER which is very miscible in acetone. Its frequently used in organic synteses where one has to work with water-soluble and -insoluble components.

The poster who stated that you may reveal uneven toning and ruin the eye appeal was right. I did some experiments with that years ago (with crappy coins, lol) and saw first hand.

Good luck and PLEASE be careful!

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Thanks for all your advice on the subject. All that I wanted to do was to remove some grease marks which I believe were made by me when handling the coins too much, (they look a bit dull!).

After reading this thread the acetone approach seems a little harsh, I'll leave the coins as they are for the time being.

Just Carl said it all
Way to may people just blurt out dip it in Acetone without realizing that there are numerous individuals out there that read that and end up with almost fatal results

I was almost one of those individual that thought "okay, just a dip it in acetone and all will be fine".

I can't thank you guys enough, for saving me from almost fatal results.

Cheers
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b17commander,
there is nothing at all harsh about soaking a coin in acetone, it will not react with the metal at all. A coin soaked in acetone will be perfectly gradable by a TPG afterwards. As long as you take the proper precautions- well ventilated work area away from any ignition source- it is perfectly safe to use. As long as you do not drink it or smoke while using it, there will be no "almost fatal results".
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How does acetone compare to alcohol? If your tring to get grease off, wouldn't that be an option?

I have to get some sticky stuff from tape off a set of coins...I'm hoping acetone will do the trick. This stuff has GOT to go.
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How does acetone compare to alcohol? If your tring to get grease off, wouldn't that be an option?

I have to get some sticky stuff from tape off a set of coins...I'm hoping acetone will do the trick. This stuff has GOT to go.


If you go to the Main Coin Forum section you will see a few ongoing topics on Acetone. Read those and any onthers you may find by searching this forum. Caution with flamable substances can not be stressed enough.
As to Alcohol, not if you attempt to purchase from places like Walmart, Kmart, Walgreens, etc there is a wide variety of this. Some are 20%, 40%, 70%, etc. and it is difficult to tell what the other percents may be. Different manufacturers have different substances added. Naturally just water added you could not be certain what type of purity the water was. Therefore using Alcohol is not recommended. Do not be afraid to ues Acetone, just be really, really very carefull.
Remember that if something should go wrong from the usage of any dangerous substance recommended over the internet, the individuals doing that recommendation will NOT pay for your medical bills, help rebuild your house and for sure will not visit you in the hospital.
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Acetone can give you unexpected results. It does not remove toning, but it removes all the organic material on the surface including the stuff filling those fine surface scratches. An MS coin turns into an AU! I use the acetone only to remove things like tape residue.

Try soap and water. Its safe and you may get the results you want. Dish soap will remove grease.

Just my 2 cents worth
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Try soap and water. Its safe and you may get the results you want. Dish soap will remove grease.

Just my 2 cents worth


Sorry but that is not a good suggestion. Some dish soaps will horribly discolor a coin. I've done that. You must remember that if you look at the lables of dish soaps you would see very little information as to the actual formulae. All dish soaps are made differently due to the forulae being proprietary. Some organizations change their forulae frequently to stop copy problems. Some add substances to mask what is in them. Saying Dish Soap just is wrong.
Then too the water to rinse after words could also be a disaster. Note in many areas water is treated with chemicals to kill bacterias and that too is not really great for coins. Note in some areas Chlorine is added to tap water. Water softeners are used which adds NaCl to the water which in thoes areas that water should not be used for plants. Some have well water full of Iron.
NO, dish soap and water is not a good suggestion.
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Leavem alone.
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dido to what biokemist says
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Question...Putting specific methods aside for a moment., what type of solvents/chemicals are used when you send off a coin to a conservtion service? Obviously they "restore" them, but using what?
Isn't it known or is it just a big "hush,hush" kinda thing?

Thanks!
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