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Truth Or Myth ... '68 To '70 Nickels W/ No MM?

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As a dedicated roll searcher I'm trying to learn (so I can stop throwing away the keepers!)...... in that spirit I can use some help with this question .....

On another forum (within the CCF) a statement was made that there are 1968, 1969 and 1970 Jefferson nickels without a mint mark.

I know to expect "D" and "S" only from those years ..... and all my Google searches on the topic of variety coins have zero mention of a variety for these years w/o MM.

Sooooo .... is this truth or myth?

I would appreciate any and all replies.

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David

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 Posted 10/09/2009  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuffaloLover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well 1964 nickels were still being minted well into 1966 and I know that the MM were suspended in 1965, 66, and 67 and resumed in 68. Hope this helps. I would suggest that there shouldn't be any 68,69, and 70 without a MM. Be sure to be looking on the front of the coin, because the MM was moved to the obverse(front)in that year.
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1980 is the first year that standard Nickels minted in
Philadelphia have the "P" mint mark. (this also applies to Dimes,
Quarters, and Half-Dollars). The One Cent coin is the only coin
remaining where the current Philadelphia coins have no mint mark,
as was the tradition with pre-1980 Philadelphia coins.

http://www.coincommunity.com/us_nic...efferson.asp

The 1942-45 Nickels made on the 35% silver 'wartime planchets' in
Philadelphia do have their unique large "P" mintmarks above Monticello
on the reverse. (that was the first "P" mint mark on any U.S. coin!)

The 1979 Susan B. Anthony dollars minted in Philadelphia did have the
"P" mint mark, one year before the general changeover in 1980.



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So my reply was wrong then?
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BuffaloLover your post is correct!

There were no Philadelphia Jefferson's for 1968 1969 or 1970
I have not heard of any of these years being minted or found without a mint mark. ( yet ) Where did you hear this? Maybe there is something to it? It would be news to me.
So all nickels from those years should have either a D or an S on the obverse. The proofs should have an S on the obverse.
As far as I know, the only Jefferson nickel that is missing a mint mark is the Henning dated 1944 counterfeit and the one I really really really want, the 1971 No S Jefferson Proof Nickel.
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I was just clarifying the mint mark standard.

Yes, 1968-70 Nickels should all have "D" or "S" mint marks, and
there were no Philadelphia Nickels for those three years.

Of course, since "No S" Proof coins (Dimes and Nickels) are known to
exist from this time period, this may mean that any 1968-70 business
strike Nickels missing a mint mark from this period could also be
"No S" coins. In other words, whomever was supposed to be stamping the
"S" onto the die was missing some of the dies.

Since all "No S" Proof coins came in Mint packaging, and the Proofs
were only made in San Francisco, where they were minted is clear.
In theory, any 1968-70 Nickels missing mint marks could have been
made in either Denver or San Francisco, but since "No S" Proofs are
known to exist, the odds would seem to favor that said Nickels would
also have been made in San Francisco.
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I have searched quite a few rolls of nickels (not as many as you wheezydog, or CND) some where around 1800 based on my wifes bank receipts for deposits. I separate each coin by date and MM before searching for errors and have never run across any 68,69,or 70's w?o a MM. I guess it is possible due to die polish or grease filled, but I haven't seen any.

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Thanks for all the replies ...... interesting reading.

I am NOT suggesting that these coins do in fact exisit ..... just a follow-up question from the post where CND was showing us his 1990-D Jefferson's with no designer initials. At the end of the post, it was suggested to 'keep an eye out for 68-70 Jefferson's with no MM"

https://goccf.com/t/53739

I did all the research I could and have found nada suggesting these exist. Your views above reinforce this.

Thanks

David
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How many do you want? I've got a grinder....
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looks like myth to me kinda like an 83 copper cent
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Quote:
I've got a grinder...

While you've got your Dremel tips out, don't forget to make
wheezydog a "No-S" 1971 Proof Nickel...
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Quote:
While you've got your Dremel tips out, don't forget to make
wheezydog a "No-S" 1971 Proof Nickel


I'll even supply the proof nickel if you can do it.
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They SHOULD all have mintmarks, but the 68, 69, and 70 nickels with no mintmark are not a myth, I have seen a couple and I have seen some with very weak mintmarks. They are the result of Grease Filled Dies, and possibly supplemented by over polishing of the dies. The same things that caused the 1922 weak D cents. They do exist but they have never caught anyones interest. It's like the 1989 no mintmark quarters or the NH no mintmark quarters. Just grease filled ies and they don't really bring much if any premium. The 1982 no mintmark dime is another matter though because in that case the mintmark was left off the die.


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looks like myth to me kinda like an 83 copper cent

Another coin that DOES exist.
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Well, I sure would like to buy any missing mintmark ( filled dies ) in Jefferson nickels any day any time.
Hey you learn something new every day here on CCF! Thanks Condor!
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I'm glad you weighed in Conder .... and your insight into the 'grease filled' cause of the no MM makes sense.

OK ..... I'll keep an eye out for these as well!

As Mr. Wheezydog says ..... you can learn something new every day here at the CCF

David
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