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I won another of those coins with NO price listed in Krause. I believe it is a counterfeit but if it is real it will be worth somewhat more.

Here is a link to the ebay auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...180415480415

The thing that attracted me was the Name Ferdin VII being attached to a Carolus portrait. The type is from Chile KM 66.

The reason I believe it is a counterfeit is twofold: 1 the dentils on the portrait side (the way they deflect around some of the letters) and 2 the odd edge on the shield side.



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Very cool, swamperbob. Do you think that this is a contemporary counterfeit? Well, I guess that you can't be sure until you have it in hand. Do you know why the edge dentils would be places as such around the lettering? You would think that the die could have been punched in a better way so that this would not have been so apparent.
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Archraz I will not be 100% certain if it is real until I have the coin in hand.

There are many examples of early hand punched dies where the lettering distorts the dentils or some other adjacent feature. The 1835-1838 issues from Zacatecas have several examples of dies where similar distortions occur on originals. It happens whenever one feature is placed too close to another. Every time a punch is driven into the the surface of the die, there is a distortion of the die face that pushes the surrounding area upward. It is like the raised area around an impact crater. This upwhelling of die metal is then ground off when the die is finished. This finishing step REMOVES any details that were previously cut into the area that was raised up by the second impact.

Here is a skectch of how that happens:


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