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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It is suspected that he had a tracking device placed on his vehicle Reminds me of that recent movie with that suitcase of money, where that really creepy guy follows him from town to town with that tracking device.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Reminds me of that recent movie with that suitcase of money, where that really creepy guy follows him from town to town with that tracking device. "No Country for Old Men". That was a creepy one. Julian has been in the biz for a long time. Sometimes you drop your guard when you've repeated something without incident for so many years. I believe he is guilty of poor judgment and nothing more. With the reward nearing $100K I'm hoping he'll recover the majority of his inventory. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Many, many dealers I know have a security guard walk them to their cars after a show. They then watch the parking lot to see if anyone follows them out. Most dealers have a system where they stop by a police station on the way home for a few minutes. Some drive around the area for a while to see if being followed...for a professional coin dealer to leave that amount in a car after a coin show, HMMMMMMM.
And all of that does absolutely no good if someone places a GPS tracking device on your car. You really have no idea who Julian Leidman is, do you? Edited by biokemist6
10/15/2009 5:21 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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And all of that does absolutely no good if someone places a GPS tracking device on your car. You really have no idea who Julian Leidman is, do you? I really don't think it has anything to do with Who the dealer is. A poor judgement is a poor judgement is a poor judgement no matter how you slice it. Regardless if you were followed or had a tracking device placed on your car, it is still a bad judgement call to leave Over a million dollars worth of merchandise in a restaurant parking lot period, weather you are a Renowned Coin Dealer, NFL Quarterback, the Prince of San Marino or a Trash Collector it is still not a good idea to leave that amount of valuables unattended. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Don't feel sorry for that idiot. Most of you including me are freaked out about having thousands of dollars in a safe at our well secured house. Driving around with that kind of money and without a couple of armed security guy's is absolutely moronic. Stopping someplace and living your million dollars in a car is double moronic.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I think that even if there was some lapse in judgment with leaving the coins in the car, the fact is he has to get to and from these shows somehow or none of us would ever have the wonderful joy of seeing these rare coins. I also think that it is very sad how many of us are judging this man so harshly after having been so badly violated. He must be very heart broken.
If we really thought this through I think it is terrible that he has to plan his life around the many possible crimes that these disgusting criminals may happen to inflict upon him. It isn't about how secure his car was, or where he parked his car. Its about a lifetime of work on his part that has been so horribly taken away by some useless slobs that can't work and choose to steal their way through life instead.
It is a sad situation and in only a small way is there a silver lining to this. If they were following him, and fully planning to rob him..... just imagine what would have happened to him, his family or friends if they had accosted him in his home instead.
If we wish to judge him based on the fact that the coins were in the car, then I wonder if this doesn't also apply to all of us "stupid" people who keep coins in our homes. Or shop in coin stores where we could be followed and robbed when leaving. Not to mention us idiots who take money out of the bank and could be followed and robbed from there. This is NOT the victims fault. He is the VICTIM with a crime committed against him and I think it may be a decent idea for people to remember that.
just my 2 cents worth on the topic.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2130 Posts |
I feel sorry for him.all the work and time into such a collection.It has to be heartbreaking. I know I would be devastated if my collection was stolen, as modest as it is. As I always say "I believe in karma." These thieves will be caught. I don't believe they will be able to off them all that easily. What I don't understand is, if your traveling with that type of value in your car, why not travel with a safe. The bags weighed 50 lbs each plus the weight of a safe. I think that would of slowed them down. IMOP.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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...the fact is he has to get to and from these shows somehow or none of us would ever have the wonderful joy of seeing these rare coins. I also think that it is very sad how many of us are judging this man so harshly after having been so badly violated. He must be very heart broken.  The guy just stopped for a meal, naturally unaware of criminal intent, as we all might do. Then consider the inventory a big dealer brings to a show--is that something you easily unload and roll into a restaurant? I think not. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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cownas22,
In this case, it does have everything to do with who the dealer is. Quite frankly, the accusations that Mr. Leidman is is trying to commit insurance fraud are disgusting in my opinion. Yes, he may have exercised a bit of bad judgement but even if he had not stopped at a restaurant, they would have hit him at his home or office, possibly killing him in the process- he was almost certainly targeted and he would have been a marked man regardless of where he was.
Mr. Leidman is one of the most respected dealers in numismatics, hands down. A number of dealers have put up thousands of dollars of their own money for a reward fund which is over $100,000 now. That kind of reward is unprecedented for a numismatic robbery and that is a level usually seen for someone who has committed seriously heinous crimes, FBI Ten Most Wanted stuff.
PNG is contributing $2,500 to the reward in the Julian Leidman robbery,
William Dominick is contributing $10,000.
John Albanese 10k
Kenny Duncan 10k
Kevin Lipton 10k
Bob Higgins has added another $1000 to the reward fund.
James Long has added $1000 to the reward fund.
Wayne Herndon has added $2,500 to the reward fund.
Matt Lerner $1,000
Joseph O'Connor $5,000
John Feigenbaum $ 2,500
James Sego $1,000
Larry Shapiro $1,000
Ray Hinkelman + Phil Hinkelman $1,000
Tom Crabtree $ 5,000
Dave Wnuck & John Agre $ 2,500
Dave Albanese $1,000
Rob Lehman $1,000
Bill Panitch $ 500
Cary Moomijian $ 1,000
Ron Chiasson $ 500
Ken Goldman $ 2,000
John Abbott $ 1,000
Michael Casper $ 1,000
Elliott Durann - $ 500
Dave Schweitz - $ 2,500
Chris McCawley - $ 1,000
John Pasciuti $1,000
Shawn Bergan $ 250
Steve Gerhinger $2,500
David Weygant $ 1,000
Jan Olav Aamlid $ 1,000
Ed Milas $ 1,000
Harry Jones $1000
Paul Montgomery $ 1,000
Harry Laibstain $ 1,000
Fred Weinberg $ 1,000
Matthew DeRoma $ 1,000
Jack Lee $ 1,000
Heritage $10000
John Maben $5000
Paul Nugget, Greg Roberts, Andrew Glassman, Bobby Avena $3500
Don Kagin $1000
Sheridan Downey $2500
Andy Lustig $1000
Jason Carter $2500
Allan Rowe $1000
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Locked
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Agreed that insurance fraud talk may be disgusting, however saying that leaving over $1 million in coins in an unattended vehicle is "a bit of bad judgment", in all fairness, is just as disgusting an understatement in my opinion.
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Valued Member
United States
436 Posts |
Wether youthink the dealer made a huge mistake or not, it is a shame we live in a country where this can happen! A hungry, respected dealer who has so many people in the hobby step right up for him does not sound like a criminal to me! It is a good example of the character of the people who are in this hobby however  . Myself, I feel for the guy, and hope they get the lowlifes who perpetrated this horrible act. I'm also glad no one got hurt, which is the main thing. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I would like to add a little here. I had a family party for my daughter's 3rd birthday. Was only a few people there. When I was cleaning up after I noticed that one of my little coin stands in the living room was laying face down (which I never did) I went to stand it up and the coin was gone. I do not remember what the coin was but I remember the extreme heartache and violation that I felt. The shock and disappointment as well. Was this my fault for displaying the lovely things in my home that made me happy and made me feel that my home was beautiful? Was it my fault for mistakenly believing that I could trust family in my home? Or is it the fault of the person who stole from me?
I realize that my loss does not even compare to what has been stolen from this man but it is the same premise. The same idea that everything to do with the hobby of coins that we ALL love should be something that we hide away, behind locks and think of in terms of dread and fear.
Blaming a victim is NEVER the right answer. No matter how that answer is phrased.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2520 Posts |
No matter what your point of view in this matter, one thing that it makes us all realize is that we need to be aware of our surroundings when leaving a shop or show! Probably not a good idea to drive directly home if you live close to the shop you're leaving. I've always tried to keep low keyed about my collecting and NEVER bought from the mint or had publications sent to the house. I would suggest for now on that everybody be on the lookout of any cars that MAY be following you from a shop or show!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1055 Posts |
I stand by my statement; that it was a bad judgement call. I have said nothing to suggest he is trying to commit fraud. That is not saying that this man is not a great numismatist or that he is a incompetent dealer, just a mistake, a costly one. No one can be sure that he would of been robbed at his home or office if he did not stop at the restaurant. The fact that I feel that it was a bad judgement does not mean I am against Julian Leidman or am saying I solely blame him the robbery. I just feel he could have taken more preventive measures to protect himself and his inventory. That being said, I also think the accusation that this is a con job is ridiculous and that the thieves deserve proper punishment. I would like nothing more than for the coins to be returned to Mr. Leidman and the thieves to find themselves behind bars (which I feel is more than likely to occur). I think the majority of the coins will eventually be found sooner or later and I wish him all the best with the investigation.
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Valued Member
United States
245 Posts |
"Was this my fault for displaying the lovely things in my home that made me happy and made me feel that my home was beautiful? Was it my fault for mistakenly believing that I could trust family in my home? Or is it the fault of the person who stole from me?"
Check the kids pockets lol. You guys need to search for the posts concerning "safes" and transportation. If anything, learn by this persons stupid mistake and move on.
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