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1712 - Mexican Hacienda Token For Corn - What Is It?

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This appears to be some sort of food token issued for Mexican pheasants in the early 1700s.

Where I live here in Central Mexico there is a small farming community in the area that has the same name as found on this coin "La Quemada" which translates to "the burnt". The man that has it for sale says he bought it from a "centurian" (someone over 100 years old) in a nearby town.

It seems to be made from copper or bronze and the writing looks like it was scraped out with a piece of wire while it was hot...not sure how it was made. There are obvious hammer marks on the face.

One side says:
Vale
x5
Costaies
De
Maiz

Reverse side:
Hacienda
La
Quemada
1712

1712---Mexican-Hacienda-Token-For-Corn---What-Is-It?



1712---Mexican-Hacienda-Token-For-Corn---What-Is-It?
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10/15/2009 5:25 pm
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 Posted 10/15/2009  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First of all and do you have any pictures
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 Posted 10/15/2009  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add harrison2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I concede to your rather reasonable demands...Any other requests?

Before you ask, NO, I do not have a portable radio-carbon dating machine...do you?
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Definitely not struck like a coin, appears to be hand carved. It looks like it might have been a ball of copper that was hammered into a round flat planchet. It is possibly some sort of merchant trade token. Could you provide a complete translation of both sides?
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One side says:
Vale = Worth
x5
Costaies = Some sort of measurement, like bushels or baskets
De = of
Maiz = Corn

Reverse side:
Hacienda = Farm Manor (I think most of us know what a hacienda is)
La = The
Quemada = Burnt
1712


So, "worth 5x measurements of corn" and "The Burnt Farm 1712"

Remember, that La Quemada is a local Hacienda that can be found on the map.

I talked to a small-time street vendor I know downtown that has a small collection of silver from the 1700's. The description he used for these tokens are like scrip used in mining towns in the US during the 1800 and early 1900s.

So the question that still begs to be answered, do these have a name of some sort where I can find more information on them? This particular vendor had three and assured me his is getting more this weekend. I'll see what else he picked up from this same individual when I see him Tuesday.
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Hmm...I don't know anything about this one, but can I make an observation?
Does it strike anybody else that the lettering style looks rather modern for 1712?
For example, they would write a "I" quite differently from the numeral "1"--but maybe I'm totally wrong in this case.
Just wanted to raise that question--maybe Swamperbob can comment here? I also note a difference of surface detail between the fields of the token and the incuse letters--was this a cast piece? Just questions.
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The lettering question IS an interesting observation. I frankly wouldn't know. I haven't seem any other pieces from this era.

I am, however hesitant to agree that it's age is almost 300 years.

The use of a wheel grinder (albeit it could be a large stone wheel from that era) appears to have been used on this if you look at the scrape marks on the face and edges.

It seems to me that this was a sand cast piece that was hammered down to remove the roughness of the faces and a wheel was used along the side to trim those down for day-to-day use.

It is possible that some very handy and modern metal smith made an original, made a quick sand cast, poured it, pounded it and did some light grinding on it....then SOLD them as some sort of souvenir for tourist. (there are a LOT of rich tourist that pour though a town near where this piece came from)
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Well, it would seem that a simple ebay search for "hacienda token" will yield some good results...but google it and you find a book that I'll probably never get to read that might be able to shed some light on this subject for anyone that happens to read this post:

Hacienda tokens of Mexico, / by O. P. Eklund and Sydney P. Noe.

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