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Hello, the picture shows 6 different cuts from 6 individual 1891 cents. there are, so Charlton suggests, 6 different varieties. My question is this: which variety is each individual in the pictures? I have marked them from A-F to make an answer easier. would really appreciate your input. there is ONE which I think is unlisted as of yet. aybe I am totally out to lunch here, but.....only maybe. I will in a few days make comment. thank you all for your help. HHB  |
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Can you also post images of the corresponding obverses?
A and B are the Large Leaves, the rest are Small Leaves.
As for the date, they all appear to be the Small Date variety.
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A is a large date.
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MKB, I am a bit in a time pressure, but will later this week.
are you sure that A+B are LL ?
and bosox, B is actually your coin.
but please have a very good look at A...
is it LL or is it SL ? check the distance to the stem from the leaves end point.
all not considering the obverses.
also... check the 8. it is the same in A-C-D-E and F, but NOT in B
maybe I need new glasses....
Edited by hhbkiddo
11/15/2009 5:16 pm
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A = LDLL
B = SDLL
C, D, E, & F = SDSL
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"B = SDLL"  |
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The way I see them is:
A=LL LD
B=LL SD
C=LL LD=SL LD
E=SL SD
F=SL LD
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I'll word it right yet D is SL LD
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very interesting, and thank you all.
But, please se my note above to MKB.
what about the 8? and what about the distance of the leave point to the stem?
could it be?
that it is a SL-LD??
or a half small leave?lolo
the distance is most certainly very sugggestive....
but the 8 is sure a huge question.....
H
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The shape of the large leaves is different from the small leaves, making the two easy to differentiate. As for the digits, variances occured in many of the Victorian coins in how deep the the digits were punched into the die, and then in how well the die impressed them on the blank.
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Referring to my 2010 new Varieties, they mention that the LD, (they call it "wide date", the "9" has a round loop, where as the SD, the "9" is OVAL.
The leaves are distinguished by this: The large leaf is bulky, and featureless, whereas the SL has much detail.
I am very new at this, so am not an authority. Idon't have the obverses "memorized, to tell which "mouth, and chin", is which, but it is shown in the book.
Now, from your images, I'll make an attempt to identify, (or maybe even more confuse).
A-LLLD
B-SLSD
C-SLSD
D-SLLD
E-SLSD
F-SLSD
Quoting from Pierre Charestbook:
OBV-1 (1876-1886) Young Queen's chin is round, and smooth.
OBV 2 (1882-1892) Mature Queen's chin is not round, and appears to look like she has a double cin. ( images not available to post, but the differences in the imagers show the chin is shaped differently.
OBV 3 (1891-1892 Queen even more mature than OBNV 2. Lots of aging marks all over her face, and the chin is rough. The double chin is more apparent. The easiest way to see the difference between the OBverses , 2, 3, and 4, is the length and orientation of the mouth toward the cheek.
OBV 4 (1892-1901) Younger Queen, with a rounder chin, like OBV 1. The easiest waty to see the difference bertween OBV 2, 3, and 4, is the length and orientation of the Queen's mouth toward the cheek.
LEAVES:
Reverse 1: (1876-1882) Medium leaves, just like the 1858-1859 coins.
Reverse 2: (1884-1891) Large leaves, with less detail than previous years.
Reverse 3: (1891-1901) Small leaves with mnany details.
I hope my "typos", have not thoroly copnfused anyone, as I am legally blind, and have "holes ion my images sent to the brain.
Hope this helps.
Dick
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12/13/2009 4:31 pm
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Sorry, dinosaur, but photo #2 is a large leaf. If the leaf at ^:00/6:30 touches, it is a large leaf. There is always a good gap there if a small leaf.
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I never knew that about the E in DEI on obv 3's I always tell by the C in Canada is almost closed.
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Papaldog,
The C is just as good a marker for an Obv 3 as the E. These don't apply to 1890.
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1891 is a date you have to be careful with. There are two main varieties of the Large Date coin. The one has distinctive and large impressive digits and the second has large but more subdued and angular digits. The existence of the second leads to a lot of confusion and this is one of the reasons why finding a scarcer misrepresented 1891 variety at flea markets or coin shows is probably easier than you think. It can be fun.
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