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Zacatecas Mexico 2 Real - Finally Dated As An 1811

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Zacatecas-Mexico-2-Real---Finally-Dated-As-An-1811
1811 Zacatecas Mexico 2 Reales

From what I have found, these were minted from November 1810 to May 1811 at the beginning of the Mexican revolution (200th anniversary is coming up next September 2010)

Since this was the revolutionaries first efforts to produce coins, they are commonly found with weak strikes as seen on this one.

There are two types of these coins. One with Fernando VII and this one, which has the two mountains on the back, La Bufa and El Grillo, on which is a cross. Below the mountains is L.V.O. which stands for "Labor Vincit Omnia" which means "work conquers all" the city motto for Zacatecas.

Please note that there are two sub-types that I have seen for the "corss on mountain" version of the coin. There are those that are clearly more advanced in the tooling as the dies have enhanced details and those that are made with painfully crude dies that lack detail so much that there is doubt as to what is being seen. Key differences are:

1. The ribbon around the columns.

With the clear type, it is clearly a ribbon. On the other hand, with the crude type it is hardly distinguishable that it is a ribbon as seen in the images of this particular coin.

2. The symbols in the shield.

Again, the clear type it is obviously a set of castles and lions alternating. With the crude type, it is indistinguishable as to what is being seen as illustrated in this particular coin.

3. Date orientation

right side up is clear type, crude type has the date up side down.

4. Location of value

Clear type has location at has it next to the date on the bottom of the coin, the crude type has it on the top above the crown.

Also, this coin is a 1811 for sure. In spite of being a weak strike/worn where the date is, because the date on this series is upside down the bottom of the last "1" where a "0" might be is barely visible...but it is very distinguishable when you look at other 1811 "crude" sub-types.

Zacatecas-Mexico-2-Real---Finally-Dated-As-An-1811

Date, upside down, up CLOSE.
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nice coin harrison2, close up is great, is it silver?
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really nice coin harrison! silver 89% found a link for that:

http://www.coindatabase.com/coin_sp...php?pais=588
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Thanks Nic! It was a bear to figure that one out...but now that is all settled, I feel much better.

Now...I need to move this coin. It really deserves to be in the hands of someone that appreciates it more than I do. It's not a good fit in my collection. I just had to save it from the hands of the street vendor that was hawking it. ;)
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You know it took me almost a month to buy this off the dealer that had it for sale...I'd see it laying out on a cloth amongst others commons and he wanted much more than I wanted...finally after a couple of weeks, I got it along with two others for a reasonable price...it was a solid five to ten minutes of haggeling and there was quite a crowd around us. The locals love watching me haggle...I bought another coin off him in the following months and we drew another pretty good crowd. Good times!
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Can anyone tell me what list is on this coin? I have seen them for for $90-150
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BTW, just read that this type of real has Flowers and Castles in the shield. Wasn't sure what they were supposed to be! The other type has lions and castles.
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Additionally, a VF-XF 1811 2 Real with the lion (not the flower) auctioned back in 1995 for $218.50!! Ouch!

BTW it was listed as KM1187 and the coin was in lot 14033 auction 378 though Heritage.
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Krause lists this coin at $70 in Fine and $120 in Very Fine.
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hi harrison, yes, I use the 1998 North American Coins & Prices handbook 7th edition, also by Krause, page 428 lists coin issued years 1810 and 1811, but then the 1811 got minted as error showing 1181 reversed, price for coin showing clear date at grade F is US$60 at VF US$100. No price for the year 1810, 1810 classified as "rare"

Great coin
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Nic, great info! I have it up for trade on the "trade" forum...hope someone who can REALLY appreciate it gets it!! :_)
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