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Select, Gem, Choice BU

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Can someone help with these terms? Is there any assumption about a grade for coins with select bu, gem bu, choice bu or are these just a non specific term for different grades? Thanks.
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 Posted 11/23/2009  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brian Mc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've always thought that the terms "choice," "select," and "gem" were pretty much synonymous and mean that the coin is n the high side of "BU" (bright uncirculated).

The problem is that they are not terms used by the coin grading services or by the Red Book, and as such can mean about anything the seller wants them to mean.
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I hate those terms, they're generally used as a cop-out to assigning a real grade. In general, I consider them:

choice BU - MS63 or lower
select BU - MS64
gem BU - MS65
ultra gem BU - MS66 up

Others may have different opinions which is why so many sellers use these terms.
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I have this in my reference:
MS-70: perfect
MS-67: gem
MS-65: choice
MS-63: select
MS-60: uncirculated
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I have this in my reference:
MS-70: perfect
MS-67: gem
MS-65: choice
MS-63: select
MS-60: uncirculated


That's the correct progression, but "grade creep" has lowered the industry standard somewhat. Sellers use select for coins MS60~62, Choice MS63~64, and Gem is MS65 and up. The MS 67~70 grades are assigned multiple glowing adjectives added to "gem" (ultra, mega, supercalifragilisticexpealodocious, etc.)
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Thanks-I am filling some holes in mercury collection and bought some select, gem, etc and wasn't sure exactly what that meant. The coins look great though.
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As noted those expressions or terminologies are used by many dealers to basically attempt to sell better. For many individuals that are not sure of the MS-62, -64, -66 type of stuff, a simpler Choice, BU, etc. type of terminology soulds much better. Select, choice, Brilliant, Bright, Gem, Ultra anything, full something or other and on and on are really helpfull in sales for many dealers. Attempting to explain conditions to each prospective purchaser of you merchandise, let the words speak for you.
Ever watch TV. Listen to their explanations of everything. Ever hear them say "It's OK I guess" or "Kind of decent" etc. No, everything is fantastic, wonderful, great, beautiful, gorgeous, etc.
Same with dealers selling coins you know. Possibly some coin dealers also are used car salesmen.
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