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G'day, I love these Spanish Dollars, as they were called in Australian history, and I am not deterred by one or more chopmarks, which some people regard as mutilations.
That said, I don't think that your "[Crown] Y.II." is a chopmark.
It has a design which is far too intricate for a chopmark. I would call it a counterstamp or countermark, usually made officially by another country, when they monetized Spanish Dollars for their own use.
For example, the British did so during the Napoleonic Wars, and used two distinct patters of counterstamp, both containing an effigy of KG3, and the Dollar became five-shillings.
This counterstamp is not British-looking to my eye.
The Crown is undoubtedly a clue, if you can find anything similar. I'd be looking at non-Spanish, non-British monarchies from 1767 forward, for a similar pattern of crown.
Another avenue of research might be the letter "Y": which country had a monarch with initial "Y" ?
More likely, wait a while and some other CCF member will recognize your very interesting countermark.
Peter in Oz
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Another avenue of research might be the letter "Y": which country had a monarch with initial "Y" ? Spain: The old spelling of Queen Isabella II's name was "Ysabel". The Spanish stamped this mark on old or foreign coins reissued for circulation in the Philippines; you'll probably find them listed there in the 1800's Krause (I don't have mine with me at the moment). Here's a Mexican dollar with the same stamp. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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You might enjoy reading this interesting articleAccording to the link "YII" was a counterstamp for Ysabella II of Spain. Update: Sap beat me to it  Edited by DVCollector
12/08/2009 8:06 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Following Sap's lead I took a peak into 1800's Krause, Philippines. This particular piece, "Y.II" on KM# 64 host (Peru-Lima 8 reales 1760 - 72) is catalogged as KM# 130, and it says it is RARE in Fine condition. Right away that raised a question of its authenticity. Particularly the edge (of the host coin) doesn't seem correct to me. Is anybody familiar with Spanish colonials and could clarify this?
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I don't often get to gloat, but I was right -
"... wait a while and some other CCF member will recognize your very interesting countermark."
Thanks DVC for that link to a very interesting article.
regarding forgeries: I find these a very interesting area. I have seen a counterfeit 8R, with a counterfeit counterstamp.
Peter in Oz
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Thank you!! The links and comments above are remarkably helpful for tracing and evaluating this counterstamp. Yes the coin itself is genuine and handling it feels genuine, Its the counterstamp that caught my interest. Any other responsive post by others would be most welcome. thank you again for the assist  |
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