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Victoria Love Token With Error?

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 Posted 12/10/2009  05:14 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CdNum to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

Maybe you can help me to identify the date of this token. If you know what is the sign on the other side, let me a comment please.

Thanks.

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12/20/2009 06:07 am
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 Posted 12/10/2009  05:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DL20K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a Canadian coin, which reverse has been filed and engraved.
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 Posted 12/10/2009  07:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add alganbagerap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Small coins of this type were commonly smoothed and engraved, usually with initials, for use as watch chain ornaments.I've probably got twenty or more.
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 Posted 12/10/2009  12:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well there is no size reference but it is probably a Canadian 10 cent piece. The reverse has bee shaved off and re-engraved with the initials CF (or FC) and possibly with some enameling o create the two colors. Items like this are called Love Tokens. During the 1870 to 1890 period they were a major fad. Typically a man would have them made with his initials and present them to his girlfriend or wife as a token o his affection. They are a specialist collectable.
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 Posted 12/10/2009  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not particularly familiar with Canadian coins.
this obverse was used in many parts of Victoria's Empire from her accession in 1837 until her Jubilee in 1887.
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 Posted 12/10/2009  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CdNum to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Do you know if the word CANADA is only used by hand or it is a numismatic error?

Example : No bar under first line of N, C and D are not completely close,...

It is a "love token" but maybe with an error?

Thanks.

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I would suspect it's post-mint damage, caused either by whatever process was used to file down the other side or from a bezel or mount that has since been removed.

Even if it was a rare and valuable error, being turned into a love token like that will have destroyed it's value to an error collector.
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..but added value for a love token collector
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CdNum, please don't post the same thing in multiple places. Your question about the error-ness of the obverse lettering is being answered in your other thread.
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Perhaps. Most exonumia collectors I know aren't too interested or knowledgeable in the minutiae of coin varieties.

Additional discussion on the identity of this item can be found in this thread.
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 Posted 12/11/2009  04:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CdNum to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

This coin have probably a link with RailRoad. I have a pocketwatch and chain come from my grantfather with Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen emblems (BRT).

If it is a C and F. C and F in french is maybe for "Chemin de Fer".

The C look like horseshoe and F look like anvil. Plus the center bar of F look like a rail.

Maybe it'a a lovely RailRoad token... ... I don't know.

I love this token because it aged like a high-class wine. If you look with a loop, there are blue, green, orange and gray reflection color.

Thank.

Sap : I note it.


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Hi,

I don't think it is a damage. Exemple, N have no bar and there are no shape or scratch where the metal was suppose to be. It's simply smooth as the remainder of surface. Letter D is like that too but I'm not an expert. Beads are more longer in this region too. Look like double beads. Beginig under N of CANADA to T of GRATIA. G and N of REGINA look like C and N of CANADA... missing some metal on top.

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12/11/2009 06:39 am
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 Posted 12/11/2009  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CdNum to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Add a picture with more details to see what I said before.

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 Posted 12/12/2009  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CdNum to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Someone on other forum say it may be a Hub Break... It explain the missing metal on letters. Is it? Do you know what is it exactly?

Thanks.
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 Posted 12/13/2009  04:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CdNum to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

I add an image with more details.

There are something like a very large S trace near the nose of Victoria Queen. I don't know if it's important but you can see 2 images of it. All A of CANADA seems to have a base problem too.


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