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 Posted 01/08/2010  8:08 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add nancyk to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I would like to refine gold from scrap.I would like to know how to build an Electrolytic GOLD SCRAP REFINING MACHINE (or something better).I have seem them on ebay where it is made by using a 5 gal bucket and a 12 Volt Battery and I have searched everywhere on the plans on how to make it and cannot locate any plans. Would like some advice about this, as well as how to market reduced gold. Silver?
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 Posted 01/09/2010  06:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hope this helps. Please be very careful.

http://www.roughneckchronicles.com/...inegold.html
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 Posted 01/09/2010  10:34 am  Show Profile   Check wheatiefan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add wheatiefan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You need to join the "Gold Refining Forum" (1st hit on google) and then spend a few weeks reading old posts.

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 Posted 01/10/2010  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are a few chemist collectors here, and I hope they would chime in.
Not a chemist myself, but since I come from a family of chemists...I'll just say this is not a procedure to try at home.
Cyanide compounds are very dangerous if containment is not 100%--and you might not detect contamination in time. A much better idea to hand this off to an industrial reclaimer for a percentage.
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Cyanide compounds are very dangerous if containment is not 100%--and you might not detect contamination in time. A much better idea to hand this off to an industrial reclaimer for a percentage.



No fake, Jake.

I was messing with a little raw/gold and cyanide in a jar in one of those old cast iron porcelain sinks. In seconds, it ate thru the porcelain and about a quarter inch of cast iron.

Not to mention green fumes in an unventilated 6 foot square room.
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 Posted 05/24/2011  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is a company that sells a pretty safe solution for both refining and recovery. I won't vouch outright for it because I ended up doing some tweaking to suit myself, but they will help and support you with their stuff so after sales service is there. Shor International. They also sell crucibles and stuff, I buy there once a year.
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What I would like to see is an all in one machine and solution where I can throw in a few shovelfulls of dirt, press a button, and get pretty gold flakes come out from a small dispenser. Let it chug, whir, and grind overnight like a rock tumbler.

-- Boris
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Alchemy at its finest!
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I will second Fred's comments. Cyanide compounds are EXTREMELY toxic and not to be used by anyone who is not WELL trained in their proper use and safe disposal. 250 mg or so of crystalline cyanide or 50 mg of the gas is a toxic dose for a 150 lb. person. This amount would be a crystal about the size of a pin head and could be easily ingested or even inhaled. This is definitely one of those "possible, but NOT recommended" situations!

As a chemist, I worked with cyanide compounds a number of times. I used the utmost in caution at ALL times. Having access to fume hoods, gas masks, nitrile gloves, and other chemical safety gear is a must, as is a cyanide antidote kit containing amyl or sodium nitrite ampules. Anyone working with cyanide, even if well trained, should never work alone.

Additionally, pH control of an aqueous cyanide solution is critical... keep it above pH 10 or so to prevent formation of deadly toxic and mobile HCN gas. This is the stuff that they use in "gas chambers" to execute prisoners. The gas is generated by dropping a NaCN or KCN pellet into a bucket of vinegar or other dilute acid.
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great question in OP !
but I'm very, very glad that I have read all of the responses.
I don't know the law where Nancy resides, but where I am, there are several goldmines. The chemicals used to extract gold from the ore can also be used in the manufacture of illicit drugs. So, they are now regulated, as "precursors", under the Drugs legislation. The miners have to be licenced to use the chemicals, and their purchases are regularly audited.
I only mention this in case similar legislation operates elsewhere.
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The miners have to be licenced to use the chemicals, and their purchases are regularly audited.

Excellent point, Peter. I had forgotten about that. As a "registered" chemist, I had to fill out forms for a number of items that we used, including cyanide and pure ethanol. These forms would be sent to the Feds each year for review. Nothing ever came of that but you can be sure that if we had had an accident or a spill, those forms would have been put under a microscope to ascertain liability. If an inspector had shown up, he would have been within his legal rights to survey our record keeping and chemical inventory... and they had better match!

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@Ed What's with the record keeping on the ethanol? Just taxation issues? And by pure you mean "as possible" before breaking the azeotrope? Or you received it in vacuum? It's a small nuisance to dry, but having Dewars lying around makes me look too geeky :D
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I will also agree with what Ed_B says. Working with cyanide solutions is not something to take lightly. AND there's also the added problem of what to do with the rinses and unused solutions of cyanide. There are federal regulations against disposal of cyanide and it is very expensive to have a company dispose of this for you.

Gold doesn't dissolve easily, but you have to do that to rid of the impurities. Cyanide complexes gold very well and keeps it soluble in the presence of oxygen and the complex is quite stable. Cyanide chemistry is complex and a strict pH control is vital to ensure no HCN gas production.
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@Ed What's with the record keeping on the ethanol? Just taxation issues? And by pure you mean "as possible" before breaking the azeotrope? Or you received it in vacuum? It's a small nuisance to dry, but having Dewars lying around makes me look too geeky :D

Yes, it was just a tax thing. The ethanol we bought was for some very specific and sensitive testing that was not compatible with the usual ethanol denaturants. The BATF / US Treasury (probably along with the FDA) regulates and taxes drinking ethanol to a considerable degree. Ethanol used for scientific purposes is not taxed at all unless sold in a sales tax jurisdiction. We still had to justify the purchases and track the amounts used on a form that we made up. It included the test, date, amount used, approximate amount remaining in the bottle, and the initials of the dispensing chemist and the technician who actually performed the tests. This form had to be available for unannounced examination at any time. It was then mailed in annually but we also kept copies for our files.

Yes, this ethanol was VERY pure. It was triple distilled via the usual azeotropic distillations, chemically dried over molecular sieve, and then packaged under dry nitrogen gas. The seal on those bottles was air-tight, so we used syringes to remove the ethanol from the bottles. It was then injected into the test solution, also under N2 gas. Additional N2 was added to the bottle from time to time to equalize the pressure as the liquid was withdrawn.

Yes, Dewars and other scientific apparatus can look pretty cool but there is the "geek factor" to consider.
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