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I figure that this is not old enough to fit under ancient, but I didn't know where to ask and this seemed like it would work.

I watch a lot of old asian films. In the old saluari movies they show "money" in the form of something wrapped in white with a little writing on it (sort of like two side by side stacks of coin wrapped in paper) or a dark (black?) stick looking thing (like a candybar size).

Can anyone tell me what these are?
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This clip shows the sark stick looking thing that I was talking about. Just watch the first few moments, the rest of the clip isn't necessary. <<Video removed by Staff>>
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I guess this is the other thing that I was talking about

http://www.imes.boj.or.jp/cm/englis..._gra1-10.htm

Are these filled with the normal coins with the holes in the middle? I still do not know what the black stick things are though...
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I had not heard about the wrapped coins...that's really interesting. It sounds like they're filled with silver or gold coins and because of the credibility of those signing the wrapper, you didn't have to worry about what was inside. Kind of like expecting that a $2 roll of nickels today really is $2 without unrolling and counting them all out...but because it was gold and silver and signed by a moneychanger, I'm guessing it was worth more than $2 :)

As for the other one...I don't know for sure, but I did find that the dice game itself that they are playing in that clip is called Cho-Han Bakuchi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C5%8D-han
My best guess...and this is just a guess...is that they were just betting markers, kind of like poker chips today. But I could be way off. They don't look like actual money, so that's what I'm assuming. I can't find anything on them in my searches...I hope someone else might know because now I'm curious!
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These are probably the oblong gold Koban that are wrapped, these are the smaller of the two with the Oban being the larger.
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I would assume the black sticks are some kind of tallies or counters, a variant of the betting sticks you often get with a mah-jongg set. In effect, they're "Japanese poker chips".
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Thanks for the input guys. For some reason I never even considered the possibility of them being the equivelent to poker chips. I am not a gambler myself so I never made the association.
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I think the movie clip biglite linked to might be a bit gory for a family-friendly forum; I found this animated (and much less gory) one, which shows Edo-period sticks in use.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxukJA7cfrU
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Regarding that first clip: Give that croupier a hand!
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The page showing packaged money is fascinating! We have a few good Asian museums here, but nothing like that.
That's sort of like "slabbing"--but much better done.
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I am glad that my extra searching found a page that people like.
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