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 Posted 02/09/2010  3:26 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add coins92 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Following up from the topic I posted a while back, I have been trying to get appraisals for my #2 CS-41 Confederate Note. I have received mixed appraisals starting at:

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1. A dealer at a NJ coin show on Sunday who said he couldn't give me more than $85.00 for it because it booked at $150.00? Then he proceeded to tell me that no one would want #2, only #1.(Since there is such a stretch between the two numbers.)
2. Another dealer off the web told me $1,750-$2,000.
3. Heritage told me anywhere between $750-$1250.
4. The last one that stumped me was Bower's and Merena who told me it would only bring 20% over book price. They told me that the note was a counterfeit based on the "Z" letter plate, however I have seen others of the same series with a "Z" letter plate graded as genuine? Could someone please explain this to me.
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Both Federal and Confederate currency of the civil war era were printed in sheets of 4 notes. The 'Z' on your note is a plate position. While the Federal issues always used A for the top note, and D for the bottom note on the sheet, Confederate issues used various sets of letters to identify the note's position on the sheet. Some were A, B, C, D just like Federal issues, but some were E, F, G, H.

I think that I told you before that your note is not really a $100 bill in general terms as it was not intended to be circulated for general commerce. Yours is what was referred to as an interest bearing note. That is why the back is not printed with a design as most circulating notes were. Your back is blank for the purpose of annual stamp certification that you received the interest payment from the government that you were entitled to for buying this note in the first place. Think of it as more of a government savings bond or a coupon or an IOU than a banknote. You buy the note for $100 to aid the Confederacy in the war effort, then every year you are paid a certain amount of interest for your 'loan' to the government. Yes, the Federal Government also used Interest bearing notes, but employed different ways of proving interest had been paid other than stamps on the note.

Confederate $100 interest bearing notes used the plate positions of W, X, Y, Z.

The reason that Bower's and Merena told you that it is a counterfeit is also just one of the reasons that I also 'think' that something is fishy about this note.

Serial # 1 is going to have plate position W. Serial # 2 will have position X (not Z). Serial # 4 will have the Z position.

One the next sheet, serial #5=W, #6=X, #7=Y, #8=Z.

I think I also told you before that this note has the deepest and most prominent inkings of signatures, serial number, and stamps on the back that I have seen, even on notes of far better condition. I said that to raise a flag to you, because I am not an expert in Confederate notes. I am not saying it is a fake, but I do have strong doubts about everything about it being authentic.

You said you were sending the note to PCGS. That will clear up all doubt either way.
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Would they take great care in making sure the plate numbers went in order of W, X, Y, and Z? Could they have been mixed up somehow?
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I believe that almost anything is possible. This is the first sheet of a run though (and maybe the only run), so I would think that the possibilities of error are rather limited. The plate letters were not arranged individually for each sheet. They were printed on the sheets by turning an inked cylinder, (rather like newspapers were printed on hundred years ago) and the serial #s and signatures were hand written later.

Possibly PCGS has already made an assessment. You could always contact them without waiting for it's return.
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Okay, I now understand what you are saying.

Is it possible that the plate positions were printed out of order? No. All sheets were identical. W, X, Y, Z, in that order.

Is it possible that whoever was hired to add the signatures and serial numbers got confused with their numbers and went in the order of 1, 3, 4, 2. Yes, possible.

Would a TPG buy into such a possibility? I don't know, but I doubt that they would base their judgment of authenticity on this alone.

I think that I have said all I care to about this particular note. Good luck with it.
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