1887 P VAM-1c With A Differant (E) LDS VAM1B ?

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twohawks Pillar of the Community United States 1551 Posts	Posted 02/24/2010 10:26 pm I have pined this one down to a Vam-1c as the obverse die is right as well as the reverse But I think I am seeing a (E) under the tail.. It is not in the same as position of the Vam-1b but looking at the wing this coin has been clashed 3 times..clash polish ....clash polish....clash polish.. LDS Vam-1b I have posted on the world. Do you think there is a light (E)? Opinions welcome Report this Post to the Staff

ocsjr2001 Valued Member United States 133 Posts	Posted 02/25/2010 01:32 am With the neck clashes by the N of IN, there is no way you can have the E that far out of position. One thing you didn't show us is a picture of the date to prove your LDS theory. Most of what you showed us, are pictures of a VAM 1C that look like they came straight out of VAMWORLD, plus a couple of pics of PMD below the tailfeathers. Sorry, but no cigar. Report this Post to the Staff
twohawks Pillar of the Community United States 1551 Posts	Posted 02/25/2010 07:12 am I will post the full coin as well as the date,cap dot. . I took them last night (they are my photos.) Report this Post to the Staff
SsuperDdave Moderator United States 23522 Posts	Posted 02/25/2010 07:15 am Great shots. What equipment are you using? Report this Post to the Staff
twohawks Pillar of the Community United States 1551 Posts	Posted 02/25/2010 09:25 am I just looked at a rotation guild I think you are right. 7 different angles and I still get that shadow most likely struck thru (something) Before checking rotation I was looking at the crack in the center of the 1st (8) The Vam-1b and 1c are the same die pair I was thinking that the crack is post polish, but I thick the Vam-1c was a coin struck before the Vam-1b as the crack in the center of the (8) is right where it should be. It just has not progressed thru the (1) and across the second 8 . I have placed full frame photos and some other close ups. As far as the type of camera I am using it is a Canon EOS D-3 XTI they have come way down in price and the Arc Soft photo program, just the basic program. That and a loop Report this Post to the Staff
ocsjr2001 Valued Member United States 133 Posts	Posted 02/25/2010 11:32 am I must admit that I have never looked at a VAM 1C in my hand, but I do own an attributed 1B. Even tho Leroy list them as having the same die pairing, we might be looking at a die 1 or die 2 thing here. I have die cracks where you don't have die cracks and you have die cracks where I don't have die cracks and die cracks are like finger prints. That tells me that your coin was not struck with the same exact dies that mine was struck with therefore there can't be any of that EDS or LDS talk. Hope this makes sense to you and you do take nice pictures. Report this Post to the Staff
twohawks Pillar of the Community United States 1551 Posts	Posted 02/25/2010 4:51 pm LVA has been mistaken once or twice I saw him in Jan. going over 1884 cc VAM 3b,c,d, and what may become (e). As well as a 1884 cc Vam-10 with a dash Or sould I say a Vam-9's Obverse Dash and die with the wrong Reverse. It has the Vam-10's reverse doubled motto. His listing shows only one reverse. I am looking for a true Vam-9 1884 cc to compare it to, so LVA can update the listing. Report this Post to the Staff
ocsjr2001 Valued Member United States 133 Posts	Posted 02/25/2010 6:51 pm A lot of vams are listed with the same die pairings which doesn't mean anything is wrong or a mistake in the big book was made. We have a fairly good idea of how many die pairings have been used or were available to use, but we're not quite sure of just how many dies were made and in what order they were made off of the master hub and working hubs and then the dies sent to the different mints. IMO what we have tried to do is use rocket science technology to the mint workers who were only concerned about making production quotas. What does get my attention about this post tho, is your sudden switch from a 1887-P to a 1884-CC. Just what is it that your trying to prove? Report this Post to the Staff
twohawks Pillar of the Community United States 1551 Posts	Posted 02/25/2010 11:24 pm I'm not trying to prove anything. If you have the one mentioned I would love to see picks. LVA thinks the listing of the Vam-9 may be in error. We sat down with the one I have it's a Vam-10 reverse die with a Vam-9 obverse. The reverse die's are very different. We are trying to fix the listing error or prove that there are (2) different dashed type in this year. That is all. I was just hoping you may have one, (fishing) I have looked at about 30 of them (that year) and have not found one to compare it to. Report this Post to the Staff
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