1922-P VAM 2 Cb - *updated Information*

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chuckster 125 Pillar of the Community United States 4113 Posts	Posted 02/25/2010 10:01 am I just purchased this real nice 1922P Peace dollar and in trying to match it up to a specific VAM on VAM World, it looks like it could be a 1922P Vam2L, but I don't see any die break or small chip left of lower hair bun. Could this be a different die stage? The reason why I think this might be the same VAM is that the die gouge going across the T&R of trust match exactly with the pics from VAM World. Also the small gouge in between the WE also looks like a match. There also seems to be a series of 3 gouges on the reverse below the Olive branches. I don't know it this is significant or not. Thanks for any help with this. Die break on Pics from VAM WORLD. VAM World PIc2 VAM World Pic3 Gouge thru T &R on my coin. * Look at the gouge thru T&R- Obverse Pic -VAM WORLD PIC of the 2L Die gouges? on Reverse below olive Branch- Pic1 Pi2 Gouges/ Reverse. Edited by chuckster 125 03/07/2010 4:48 pm Report this Post to the Staff

zeewool Pillar of the Community 3660 Posts	Posted 02/26/2010 02:50 am Chuck, I had hoped that someone would have already answered, but since not, I will give it a shot. What you suggest is certainly possible, (IF) this is the same die pairing as you are comparing to on vamworld. Actually, you are comparing your coin to VAM 2i not 2L. Matters not, because although I don't really know what that is crossing under the T in trust on your coin, it is PMD on the vamworld coin. The vamworld coin is a scratch on the coin, not a die gouge. I know that they look the same, but if you will visually determine the total height of the T, you will see that the vamworld coin crosses at 65% of that height, while yours crosses at 50%, plus the angle at crossing is slightly different. I agree that it is amazingly similar and quite coincidental however. Actually, neither your nor the vamworld coin are die gouges at the T. A gouge is a substantial scratch on the die resulting in a transfer or build up of metal on the coin. As you can see, the 'grain' on your coin is undisturbed, causing me to think that this is just an uncannily similar, but even lighter post mint scratch to your coin, and not really in the die. I'll bet that your coin is actually somewhere in the VAM listings, but from what I can see, the pups are rather nondescript, so it would be a real challenge (to me anyway) to nail it down. Edited by zeewool 02/26/2010 03:37 am Report this Post to the Staff
chuckster 125 Pillar of the Community United States 4113 Posts	Posted 02/26/2010 09:16 am Thanks zeewool. Appreciate the time and explanation! I wasn't sure if that was a scratch ( PMD) or a legit gouge but it is interesting that it's so similar to the one on VAM World! I also E. mailed Mr Lee to see if he might recognize what this might be also. If I hear back from Mr. Lee, I'll let you know what he thinks etc. In the meantime, I'll still see if I can match this up with anything else listed on VAM World for the 22P. Report this Post to the Staff
chuckster 125 Pillar of the Community United States 4113 Posts	Posted 03/07/2010 1:39 pm I heard back from Mr Lee last week. Mr.Lee forwarded the original pics to Mr David Close because of the Die break thru the Hair Bun. Mr. Close stated it looks like it could be the Vam2CB (die gouge thru WE.) but wanted to check further on it. I just sent him additional close-up pictures today (see below) Die break thru the hair bun and possible shadow doubling to the left of the bridge of the nose. I'm waiting to hear back from Mr. Close. In the meantime, any experts here have a VAM 2CB picture by any chance that also shows the die break in the hair bun and shadow doubling by the bridge of the nose? Thanks for any help. Die Break Back of Hair Bun Shadow Doubling Bridge of Nose Die gouge thru WE 1922P Obverse Reverse Die Indicator: B Reverse. Crack thru TR: Report this Post to the Staff
chuckster 125 Pillar of the Community United States 4113 Posts	Posted 03/07/2010 4:32 pm Just got an e.mail from Mr Close. This is a 1922P VAM 2 CB! My pics match exactly the one's in a 2008 Supplement according to Mr.Close. Thank you Mr Lee and Mr. Close! Thanks again zeewool for your help. Great call on saying it was not the 2I/L! Chuck. Edited by chuckster 125 03/07/2010 4:42 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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