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 Posted 03/25/2010  10:59 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Lets assume any Canadian coin graded by a Canadian or US TPG, or by YOU.
reverse grades as a VF30
Obverse grades as a MS60

What will the coins grade designation be?
will it be a 30?
or a 45?
or will it be a 60/30 ?
I Europe the coin would be graded MS60/VF30 or their respective designations.
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 Posted 03/25/2010  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
More than likely AU in Canada. Approx 90% of grade comes off the obv. IMO
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 Posted 03/25/2010  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not 100% sure what the right answer is... But I agree that 90% of the grade is determined by the obverse from what I have seen.

Having said that I'm inclined to also say an AU....
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 Posted 03/25/2010  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this a trick question? Is the coin in a juxtaposition of states,neither circulated nor uncirculated,until observed by a TPG grader.
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 Posted 03/26/2010  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely NOT a trick question!!!1
simple fact question....
How is it graded? one side is top MS, the other is low end....
we all have seen it at some time...
So, simply, HOW will the grade turn out? and be recognized?
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 Posted 03/27/2010  02:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hhb an uncirculated coin must receive an MS grade,if there is any loss of detail due to a weak strike it shouldn't make 64 or 65 and the grade will be based on the fields and lustre.Coinsrfun showed us a weakly struck GeoV nickle a few days ago on this forum.For circulated coins I agree with those who say 90% of the grade on Canadian coins is based on the Obverse.When buying coins I always examine the reverse first to see if it'll look good in my collection,then I look at the obverse to see how much I'm going to pay.
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 Posted 03/27/2010  02:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just for fun..... we can open the can of worms and head in a different direction with the following examples..

When shown this way..It eally Doesn't Make To Much Sense.. ( Could M60 / VF30 desiganted grade reflect a more honest and easily identified TRUE GRADE.. on the following coins if one side was a VF30 & other was a MS60......

Here We GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......... Food for thought..

Coin One Plus Coin Two Equals Coin Three...

Coin 1



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Coin 2


Grading-Canadian-Coins-Obverse-Reverse

Equals this coin 3


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 Posted 03/27/2010  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys. All great answers, but so far NO actual direct and straight answer of the question posted.

I am not sure if you all understand where I am coming from? and where I am going with this.
I used the Grades only to illustrate the condition of a coin.
I will try and be more direct:
one side, any coin, circulation coin is a very decisive AU58 NOT UNC or MS!
the other side of the same coin is a very disappointing, for WHATEVER, but obvious reason, totally worn down to F12....
we have all seen them...
it does not matter what your personal preference for your collection is and which side you look at first. All that matters that you see one side in super grade, the other Not, and how this coin will grade when submitted to a TPG, which, UNFORTUNATELY, will very much influence what someone will pay for it.!!
NOW, what grade is the coin?
It will surely have high impact if, lets say it is a 1893 25 cent piece...
is it grade AU58 or F12?
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 Posted 03/27/2010  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well D23
what happened to the other side? what grade of each of these is the reverse?
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Well HHB the way I look at it is the grade should split in the middle..If I were selling such a coin I would state exactly what you say..Rev is ? and Obv is ? Overall grade down the middle... I have sold a few that looked like that A solid AU obv. but a reverse that was VF30 so I called it an overall grade of EF 40

Now I may be wrong , but I'm sure if ICCS would get such a coin the lower grade will prevail, unlike PCGS they would likely go with the higher grade which I would agree with...
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 Posted 03/28/2010  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok ,does anyone know for sure WHAT ICCS and CCCS do in a case like that?
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 Posted 03/28/2010  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a 1870 EF40 25cents,beautiful obverse,barely readable reverse,"weak strike" noted in the comments section of the ICCS holder.I also have an F15 1936 dot 25cents,ICCS graded,obverse is barely F15,but the reverse is exceptionaly strong for a '36 dot of this grade,I'd give the reverse a VF for sure.These two coins lead me to believe grading is heavily weighted in favor of the obverse.By the way I paid more than the Trends price at the time for the '36 dot because the reverse was so nice,I just had to have it.
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