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 Posted 06/10/2010  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Siuol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glad you liked my write up on SOIs .

I hope he finds your info useful too. Its cool to look at the serial ranges and think "I helped identify that".

Yes the back plate numbers are larger on FW notes, but not just for series 2006. It is one of the identifying marks of a FW note along with the FW in front of the plate number on the obverse of the note.

I have turned on my PM so you can contact me. I think you do more bill searching than me; especially of uncirculated notes. I think we have plenty of info to exchange though .
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 Posted 06/11/2010  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grime5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
t blocks were issued in 2006 series so the wheresgeorge folks would probably not pay a premium for those any longer. later greg
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 Posted 06/16/2010  07:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Greg, I am some what puzzled by your comment (granted I do not read that site much). For 06 32 mil were printed and for folks like me who just put away some notes as an example what effect would 06 have on a note from 95. It's sort of like saying they print dollar bills every year ergo there is no historical value for older notes. Also only Atlanta went up to T for 06. I have T's that range in number and a handful where the SN is higher than 32 Mil from various fed districts.

If you could expand on your point it would be helpful. Thanks

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 Posted 07/17/2010  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Decided to post it here as it has to do with numbers and here goes.

Sometime back I was reading that the BEP once in a while pulls SN's ending in 2 (closer to the million mark) and found one earlier this week. From what I understand this is a quality control check. Has anyone else heard of this? Thanks



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 Posted 07/17/2010  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ceylon I saw you post in a different thread (the error thread) that notes ending in 0000 are not circulated. So does that mean that your note in the picture ending 0001 would have a star note before and after it?

I found this on http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/...82-3095.html


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The currency in question surfaced after it was used to purchase postal money orders in the Orlando, Florida, area. The currency aroused suspicion, because, although the printing and paper were genuine in every respect, the bills had uneven edges, as though they had been cut with scissors. Federal Reserve Notes are not generally perfectly centered and that alone would not have aroused suspicion.

The only other fact that would have made these notes suspect is their serial numbers. Many of the bills had serial numbers ending with 9998, 9999 and 0000. Currency sheets which have notes with serial numbers ending with 9999 and 0000 are usually extracted from the process and checked for quality and correctness, and are replaced by substitute sheets with serial numbers ending with an asterisk and placed into circulation.


It seems to me that having the "set" of the 0001 bill with the two stars before and after would be a very nice find. Is that even possible? Is it possible to know that the star note you have actually belongs after the 0001 note? In other words could someone just have 2 star notes and a 0001 note and say they are a set?

Just wondering...
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 Posted 07/18/2010  07:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was lucky to get 2k which ran from abc9 9001 to abd0 1000 a while back and have saved off around 6 or 7 notes around the stars. I am just trying to get a confirm on the SN 2.

On the BEP straps it says to contact them if you ?'s about the stars within a pack. I have not done it but they may be keeping track of it. As per me I save the BEP barcodes from each brick I search for any such future questions. I also keep a log of the bank and date from which I get the packs.

Below is $2 note cut from a sheet and I have others (1's and 2's) where the cut is perfect. Also you can see a tiny tiny portion of the prior note (upper right corner). This note was either cut by a drunk or a thief (jmo).



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 Posted 08/19/2010  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was going to make a new topic but instead found this older one to post the note I found a few days ago. So far this is the highest serial I have found in circulation. If the circulated run ends at 95999999 (because 96000000 would be replaced with a star yes?) then this one was only 1482 from the end of Q block (for circulated numbers).

Feel free to correct me if this info is inaccurate.



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 Posted 08/19/2010  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsearcher83 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Um... are you sure that notes ending in 4 zeros aren't printed and circulated? This doesn't seem to be too logical on the part of the BEP (but then again, what does? lol)
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Um... are you sure that notes ending in 4 zeros aren't printed and circulated?


UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff-Appellee, v. Kenneth D. KROESSER, Roger D. Harmon, Defendants-Appellants.

Roger Harmon and Kenneth Kroesser, former employees of the United States Bureau of Engraving and Printing, appeal their convictions, following trial by jury, for the crime of retaining and concealing Federal Reserve notes stolen from the Bureau of Engraving and Printing.

Prior to their commission of the crime charged in this case, Roger Harmon and Kenneth Kroesser were both employed by the Bureau in Washington, D.C., as Physical Security Specialists. One of their job assignments was to witness the destruction of sheets of Federal Reserve Notes that had been removed from production runs in order to spot check for blemished bills.1 On several occasions, beginning in the fall of 1977, Harmon and Kroesser hid some of the sheets while the workers whose job it was to destroy them were out to lunch. Then, after work, they would retrieve the hidden sheets, conceal them under their clothing, and leave the premises.

Though the arrests in the instant case were the result of information garnered from sources totally independent of the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, nonetheless two days prior to the arrest of Kroesser and Harmon the Bureau became independently aware that some currency which should have been destroyed had entered circulation. The currency in question surfaced after it was used to purchase postal money orders in the Orlando, Florida, area. The currency aroused suspicion, because, although the printing and paper were genuine in every respect, the bills had uneven edges, as though they had been cut with scissors. Federal Reserve Notes are not generally perfectly centered and that alone would not have aroused suspicion.

The only other fact that would have made these notes suspect is their serial numbers. Many of the bills had serial numbers ending with 9998, 9999 and 0000. Currency sheets which have notes with serial numbers ending with 9999 and 0000 are usually extracted from the process and checked for quality and correctness, and are replaced by substitute sheets with serial numbers ending with an asterisk and placed into circulation.

Once the sheets were removed from the production run it was apparently cheaper to destroy and replace them than to reinsert them into the production run.
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 Posted 08/19/2010  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fascinating,,,,
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 Posted 08/19/2010  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bvalania to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This note ends in four 0's, but is that because it is a star?

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 Posted 08/19/2010  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's obviously counterfeit, so send it to me so I can turn it over to the FBI.
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Why do you say it's counterfeit?
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Why do you say it's counterfeit?


Yes, definitely counterfeit....look at Washington's left ear.
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 Posted 08/20/2010  07:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The highest I came across was something like 13 or 1400 closer to the end and tossed it back out as it was in dire condition.

Why did they not invest in a decent cutter from the hobby store? Also, was the cutter at the BEP to big to carry out?

Interesting question about the stars and the ending 4 zero's. Regardless it's a binary and should hold it's own.

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