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E99934345A - 88A - Richmond

B09957533* - 03A - NY
F10932435* -03A - Atlanta

Would the above be considered high numbers? I post about the stars as most I have start with 2 leading 00's or goes as high as 05. I am still scratching my head over this star thingy.

FWIW, I Also found more notes ending in high letters
1995 - U, V, X (u Atlanta, v and x NY) - This why Rubin went to C (hopefully someone gets this joke)
1999 - Q, R, T (q and t Atlanta / are is SF)
2006 - S Atlanta - highest I have seen so far.

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Quote:
I am still scratching my head over this star thingy.

What is it you would like to know about "star notes"?
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Quick overview of stars.

A normal run is 6.4 million notes. Star notes work a little differently. Starting with series 1988a a maximum run for stars is 3.2 million; however if that total is not reached then the rest of the serials are skipped. For example run one of series 2006 San Francisco FRB stars contains 640,000 notes. Serial numbers 0000 0001 to 0064 0000 are used. The serial numbers for the next run for that FRB starts at 0320 0000.

Value is based on the number of notes for any given run. The smaller the run, the more the note is worth. Obviously the condition and the serial number play a part as well.

The number of runs for any given FRB for any year varies. Some years there are a lot of errors; others only a few. Stars are made to replace messed up notes so if there are less for errors for any given series then there are less stars for that series.

Serials for stars don't usually get that high so it isn't unusual to not have any high numbers Celyon. I don't think there is a premium on "high" star serials. It just means they had so new trainees or something.

Nice finds for the high block letters though .
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Siuol, Thanks for the tutorial. Just so I get this straight for myself.

The blocks cannot be greater than 640K

The run that starts at 0320 0000 cannot be grater than 0384 0000 (+640K) OR 0640 0000 (+3.2m)

Where does the next one start after 0384 0000 / 0640 0000?

How does the numbering change when they hit the 3.2 mil max? or is that FRB SOL!

Some of the above is redundant but hopefully you can see where I am trying to get to with the numbers.

I greatly appreciate your in depth knowledge and patience.

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The maximum star note run is 3.2 million notes. Usually the Bureau of Engraving and Printing uses all 3.2 million notes for a run; however sometimes they print less because they need less to fix the errors. For example run one of series 2006 San Francisco contains 640,000 notes, but run 2 of the same series and FRB contains 3.2 million notes. So the serial number ranges are 0000 0001 to 0064 0000 and 0320 0001 to 0640 0000. It all depends on demand for the stars at any given time. Run one was printed Sept of 07 and run two was printed Nov of 07.

Runs will be printed for FRBs as long as they are needed. Some series none are needed like 2003a San Francisco had no star runs printed, but 2006 they have had 2 and 2003 they had 1. Atlanta has had three runs printed for 2006, six printed for 2003a and two for 2003. It all depends how much the employees screw up.

The serial ranges start every 3.2 million numbers so the range for run one is always 0000 0001 to 0320 0000, run two 0320 0001 to 0640 0000, run three 0640 0001 to 0960 0000, etc. Sometimes not all the numbers are used though like in the example above.

Hope this clears things up a bit.
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Thanks siuol, I am much obliged.

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Is there an actual market for the notes ending in high numbers R, T, etc.?
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Afcop,
I don't know if there is a market for the notes ending with high alfas. Most of the notes I have pulled are from the 95, 99 series and last night came across my first 88a. This is something I have decided to do for myself. There is no right way or wrong way when it comes to some of these things as long as you enjoy doing what you do. The way I look at it is that it's like finding a coin with a "S" mint mark.

As it pertains to high numbers four leading 9's have a premium.

FWIW, came across these 2 last night
B 06681686 "U" - 88a
B 30903281 Y - 95

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Notes ending in T,U,V,W,X, and Y are often sold on wheresgeorge.com for $2 a note. Unless you gather a bunch together, then I've seen them sell for a bit more.
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Siuol et al

If I may.How is this one possible (E99934345A - 88A - Richmond) if they were supposed to STOP at 9600 0000 starting with the 1988 series. Or have I misread something?

Did someone cut up an "uncut" sheet? That's the only thing I can think of.

FWIW, Atlanta stopped at 3200 0000 T for 2006 B4 rolling over to 09. NY went up to G and SF up to S. Thanks

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Yes someone cut up an uncut sheet. I'd keep it if the cut is good and not too sloppy.
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Below has to do with high unpublished SN's for $2 notes.

L 99196417 A (03a) and I 98947265 A (76) - 03 A note is cut by hand and is crooked. The 76 note appears to have been cut straight but the note itself is NOT aligned with the cut and is at an angle. I checked usapapermoney and both are here. Not sure what to make of this as it appears the BEP never published these numbers and the site is compiling it's data from various other sources. http://www.uspapermoney.info/survey/sheets.txt

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I just thought it was interesting that 03A was not published.

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Ceylon did you report your findings to him? Thats how he gets his info for uncut sheets because the BEP apparently doesn't release the serial ranges. I've reported a couple of different SOI serial ranges to him. As for the 76 I've seen a couple like that too. I guess the sheet just didn't get printed right.
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Interesting stuff. You guys are really getting deep into it.
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Siuol,
I sent him a note. He may have it BUT, he MAY be missing the plate numbers. Hope he finds my info useful.

Speaking of SOI's - nice write up on SOI's as one day I was doing "key word" searches and ended up at your post way down there some where.

Have you noticed that the back plate font size on FW prints for $1 is larger than DC for series 06?

Also, If you don't mind, send me a PM or turn on your PM and I will contact you.

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This was part of yesterdays catch and release program. Never knew 100's went this high and the 96 series went as high as Y. IF not for the heavy center fold I would have kept it.

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