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comments on the large leaf impression? The VAM here on this 1889 matches the VAM-36 on the 1888 P. However, it does not match the VAM-36 listed for the 1889 P.   Here is another 1889 P that resembles the 1889-O VAM-6. Comments?   this is a die crack that begins above the first star east of the date and continues over to the 6th star  Edited by j_h_s
04/06/2010 4:16 pm
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do you agree that:
1. I posted this under the wrong thread (oops)
2. that the second one is an 89P VAM-6?
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Quote:
do you agree that:
1. I posted this under the wrong thread (oops)
2. that the second one is an 89P VAM-6? C. Moved |
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j_h_s, VAM #s from one year don't carry over from year to year. New #s are assigned for each year. What your seeing on the first coin is a multiple die clash from the lower two sections of the hair bonnet to the back of neck. The left wreath should have a clash that appears as upsidedown lips from Lady Liberty. Need pictures of the whole date to get an idea of positioning. Neck line to see if there is any letter transfers and ear for doubling. Second coin is VAM #6. Doubling on date is completely different from the 1889-O. Edited by MorgansRmine
04/05/2010 9:29 pm
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 the side of the Neck , date, hair vee photos are needed. And that the second is a Vam-6 Good call |
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MorgansRhyme said, Vam #s from one year don't carry over from year to year.New #s are assigned for each year.That's what I figured; Is there a VAM number for this image for 1889 that is similar/like the 1888 VAM-36? What your seeing on the first coin is a multiple die clash from the lower two sections of the hair bonnet to the back of neck. Interesting; because on the (opposite) obverse side I did not see anything that would clash through. But, I cant say I understand clashes beyond "images on one side clash through to the other" The left wreath should have a clash that appears as upsidedown lips from Lady Liberty. Need pictures of the whole date to get an idea of positioning. Neck line to see if there is any letter transfers and ear for doubling. I will post pictures tomorrow...hopefully all these things are visible without a microscope and with zoom on my camera. Second coin is VAM #6.
Doubling on date is completely different from the 1889-O.
Confused again...theyve assigned the same VAM in the same year to different mints and different strikes? Thank you very much for your assistance. I look forward to learning more. Jim
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A VAM call it a Vam-3 in a 1880 P coin could have a similar 1881 type VAM and number. But it is not linked to the other coin in any way. Some coins have hundreds of VAM types some have less. When you look at a clashed coin they are all within a set area of the coin subject to only the die's rotation. When you see a wing line coming out of the neck that can tell you at what degree the die's have been set. As the mint tried to set them at (zero) almost all clash points are the same no matter what year. As far as always seeing the clash marks on both sides. Sometimes they are not, the mint may of polished one of the die's or changed one out. I have a few heavy clashes that are only on one side, so always look at both sides. Unless the clash has letter transfer they are not listed as a type VAM. They can be used as pick up point for what type VAM it is. The (N) in the neck is the most common letter transfer it will look like a small nick in the center of the neck (under a wing clash line) the S and T clash will normally be seen in the viewers right side hair vee. An (E) reverse clash are the neatest personally. Viewers left side under the tail feathers Post the full photos and we will try to help ID them. |
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the thing you must first understand: vams were and are numbered as they are discovered, NOT in the order they were produced.. therefore one VAM error found in one year will not have the same number found in the other years..Yes clashing are similar between years....some stronger and more features(clashes) are present on some coin's and less on others..Many clashes do not have a VAM unless there is the LETTER transfer which the pictures would help to pinpoint a particular VAM.. |
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thanks, all.
it's the wee hours of the morning here; so, no rustling around the office until the Mrs. wakes up.
In the interim;
I think I have about 15 VAMs.
I have a fairly good camera
I have a microscope
what photos (full? sectored? micro-scope?) do you recommend to best and most efficiently determine markers, etc?
I would love to have you help me confirm all my VAMs.
Who wouldnt !?
:)
p.s.
thanks admin for moving my post
thanks, you all, for sharing your knowledge
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04/06/2010 06:17 am
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Edited by j_h_s
04/06/2010 11:44 am
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I need to see the whole coin obverse and reverse. It may be a Vam-5b by the date placement Hot 50(that being said) it has a pitted die and the photos do not show that part of the coin. I would need to see the whole coin. Maybe someone else may see some thing I do not.
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This is the best I can do for pics of the entire coin.   |
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I dont see any die pitting. There are die scratches on the face.
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Check VAM 7 and 8 on Vamworld I think its a Vam-8 but the pick up points are hard to see in your photos. The die scrach in the ear is not noted from what I can see. It would be nice to see this one in hand. |
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