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1906 Us-Philippines Proof One Peso - A Key Coin

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We Pinoys are lucky and proud having these USPI peso coins, thanks to the USA. This 1906 Proof one peso has a mintage of only 500pcs and also considered scarce coin I guess. I acquired it sometime in the late 90's. I don't have any idea on its value nowadays, can anyone appraise and try to grade? Thanks
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 Posted 04/18/2010  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thai-vic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The latest krauss catalog only lists it as proof and a mintage of 500, as you say. The value given is $900.
A very nice coin. Shame you don't have a 1906S as the values for F to BU are much, much higher (but there is a beware of counterfeits warning).
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 Posted 04/18/2010  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a beauty, wish I had one of these.
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 Posted 04/18/2010  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beautiful coin, great photo. Good job!
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The latest krauss catalog only lists it as proof and a mintage of 500, as you say. The value given is $900.
A very nice coin. Shame you don't have a 1906S as the values for F to BU are much, much higher (but there is a beware of counterfeits warning).

I also have 1906-s posted earlier that this post. I wish I could acquire your Krauss book thai-vic. Yes you are right that there were so many counterfeits on these coins not to mention there are even 2 types of counterfeits (An altered date -almost perfect one and a contemporary silver cast type -hard to distinguish it's fake).
I will post 2 samples of these to include my notes on how to detect these fakes on my next post so that we can share ideas into it.
Thanks echizento & pls for the nice comments, I had this pictured on my cellphone I don't know if I'm doing it right.
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 Posted 04/18/2010  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I note you've mentioned ANACS slabbing this coin in another thread - be aware, these slabs are not airtight and will provide no additional protection against the atmosphere. If your wish is more for protection than grading, let me recommend this:

http://www.interceptshield.com/holders.html
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I note you've mentioned ANACS slabbing this coin in another thread - be aware, these slabs are not airtight and will provide no additional protection against the atmosphere. If your wish is more for protection than grading, let me recommend this:

http://www.interceptshield.com/holders.html


Thank you for the idea SuperDave
I really didn't know those slabs are not airtight. I just surfed the link you mentioned, the 2" x 2" holders I think is perfect if I will not let this into slabbing. You are right, my concern is more on its surface protection rather than grading.
Regarding grading can I ask your opinion how does this coin do on your own rating? Thanks
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 Posted 04/19/2010  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Proof coins, by their nature, should be graded to a stricter standard than business strikes. The quality of the strike itself is a much more important factor - any lack of fullness is an immediate downgrade - and therefore proper grading must involve knowledge of how the coin should look when perfectly struck.

My knowledge does not qualify me to grade this coin.

In addition, such a strict evaluation would require a more in-depth photo study than your pictures, as good as they are, have shown. For instance, the obverse pic shows a "graininess" about the arm which might be a photographic artifact, but might also be indicative of a lesser-quality strike or planchet. Multiple camera angles would be necessary to show any hairlines which might have appeared through handling, however careful it has been, and any mint-originated marks.

Almost every single 1906 Proof I looked at while researching this post has had toning. Your coin looks to have none; this might be an immediate indicator to a professional grader that the coin has been dipped during its' life. Although it's possible to remove toning without any visible evidence, the fact that no toning exists might be reason for a grader to immediately dismiss the coin has having non-original surfaces.

With all that said, I would venture to guess that, if considered as original, untouched and mint-brilliant, this coin would be quite a highly-regarded example of the type. Its' value therefore would be into 4 figures. An NGC PF64 sold for $1380 at Heritage earlier this year. That number surprises me as being artificially low due to low demand; a US Proof of such scarcity would sell for multiples of that price.
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 Posted 04/20/2010  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pandesalapi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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My knowledge does not qualify me to grade this coin.

You are a humble person SuperDave, thanks for your wonderful reply.
Yes you are right, even if I didn't clean it for more than 10years from its acquisition, I am not sure if the previous collector/s who owned it before me had it cleaned or dipped. That is basically the difference of proof coins from the usual business strikes coins. Because as some of us knows, a business strike coin does have the so-called mint luster or the cartwheel effect that is easily lost or lessen during cleaning or dipping, unlike the mirror-like field surface of USPI proof coins, it's very hard to tell unless there maybe some factors which I am not aware of...
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Done right, it is quite possible to dip a Proof coin and remove toning without affecting the mirror surfaces. So, a conclusion of "Altered Surfaces" on the part of a professional grader could be as much assumption as reaction to evidence; this is an important consideration for anyone contemplating having a coin graded.

Dipping does cause microscopic differences. I have done before-after studies of a dipped coin showing visible changes at 200x magnification. However, these changes are specific to the coin - the "after" conditions I observed (lessening of the "roughness" of the fields) can also be attributable to die wear.

It's a slippery slope.
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Dipping does cause microscopic differences. I have done before-after studies of a dipped coin showing visible changes at 200x magnification

I hope to see some of your before-after studies including its differences caused by dipping SuperDave, some pictures maybe. This forum is great for us learners. There's a lot of things / more to learn in our hobby and I am beginning make it a point to look everyday in this community as part of my daily routine. Thanks to you guys
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 Posted 04/24/2010  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arthrene to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just got back from the Philippines. I managed to get a few older coins during my stay but nothing like that. There aren't really any coin shops in the Philippines and collecting was kinda difficult. Beautiful coin!
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 Posted 04/24/2010  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pandesalapi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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just got back from the Philippines. I managed to get a few older coins during my stay but nothing like that. There aren't really any coin shops in the Philippines and collecting was kinda difficult. Beautiful coin!

I agree with you arthrene, collecting here in the Philippines is a hard one. Most of the most beautiful Philippine Rare coins were already sold outside the country and now mostly acquired by American Numismatist according to my friend - a wellknown Filipino seller. There are some existing coin stores here located in Greenhills, Tiendesitas, Megamall but they do not sell the rare ones or even scarce ones. Demand is too high here no wonder they exceed much higher than an updated book values.
Lately I have discovered that buying the Rare ones abroad like bidding into Heritage auction etc is even cheaper that getting one to our fellow Filipino collectors.
Another heavy load that we carry here is that we do not have easy access into slabbing coins for our treasured coins protection.
That's the reason why I envy your geographical location there, most of the time you get lucky
Nice to know you were here last time and hope you enjoyed your stay arthrene.
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I bought coins there at tsange from vendors who usually buy old coins to melt down and make jewelery. You're right though, nothing rare and good condition coins were a bit tougher to find.
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I bought coins there at tsange from vendors who usually buy old coins to melt down and make jewelery. You're right though, nothing rare and good condition coins were a bit tougher to find.

That is one thing sad here, you will easily see a lot of stores selling silver jewelery from melted coins. The above sample of a 1906 proof USPI is too tough to see it here even on auctions. I just attended this morning an auction by the BNSP coin group here and there was no rare coin with at least a VF detail that surfaced out. It's only through Collector's duplicates that we are able to get nice ones or through once-in-a-bluemoon newly excavated hoard.
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 Posted 08/01/2010  02:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bagets to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a beautiful coin. with its mintage, I guess it is really hard to find in that magnificent condition. Congrats to you for having that 1906 proof one peso coin.
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