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2010 Sacagawea Dollar - Partial Edge Lettering?

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 Posted 04/20/2010  12:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add tiker to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've got a question about "partial edge lettering" and curious if I have one.

I bought a couple of 2010 Sacagawea dollars (one D and one P) off ebay from a seller who was selling them from rolls. The D dollar is fine but the P dollar is missing the bottom of the mint mark letter so it appears as a half height D on the coin. The rest of the lettering all the way around the coin is complete. Does this P dollar classify as a "partial edge lettering" or is it something different?

I don't have a camera or anything that's able to take a picture clear enough to see. I can try if needed though.
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 Posted 04/20/2010  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It sounds like the weak lettering error known as the, "Peg Leg Error."
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 Posted 04/20/2010  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Partial Edge lettering requires that design features be entirely missing from the edge, such as a missing date or star. If only part of a design feature is missing such as half of a star or the lower portions of letters it is weak lettering. Partial Edges are quite few and far between. From what your describing it sounds like you have a week edge, the week edges have been going from around 12 to 30 bucks on ebay depending on the severity of the error.

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Sounds more to me like a chipped edge die where the leg of the P chipped off. If it was weak edge lettering I would think it would be more than 1/2 of one letter that was "weak".
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 Posted 04/21/2010  07:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When I think of "edge lettering" I think of lettering on the edge of the coin rather than on the ob/reverse faces of the coin.

I read that PCGS is offering $10,000 to anyone who provides a Sac Dollar with lettering on its edge...PCGS believe that error will occur...to wit:

"The United States Mint is still making the plain-edged Sacagawea dollars while also striking literally hundreds of millions of the Presidential coins. Sooner or later, we believe a Sacagawea coin will be erroneously made with lettering on the edge, or will be over-struck with the both the Sacagawea and Presidential designs on the same coin. We'll pay $10,000 just to be the first to authenticate them."

I'm wondering: is, "partial edge lettering" is a misnomer for ob/reverse face Sac errors?

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all sac dollars from 2009 on are supposed to have edge lettering, the 10,000 bounty was for a sac dollar previous to 2009

Partial edge lettering is just what it sounds like, when parts of the edge are unlettered. Weak edge lettering all of the edge design features are discernable but individual letters may be missing portions.
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I'm guessing it's a broken / cracked collar then. The rest of the lettering and stars are fine. Not as strong compared to the other dollar coin but they're fine. It's only the P that is missing half and the upper half that does show isn't weak. It's clearly shown.

Thanks.
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the lettering part of the minting process has nothing to do with how the collar was struck, its done after the coins are struck (except for proof coins).
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I'm guessing it's a broken / cracked collar then.

Only proofs have the lettering applied with a collar(3 segment), all others have edge lettering added through a secondary process that involves the coins being force-spun through a linear die.
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so, "edge" lettering is restricted to the outside (vertical) "edge" of the coin as opposed to anywhere on the ob/rev faces, correct?



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Yes, the obverse / reverse are fine. The only thing effected is the mint mark on the edge. The P is missing the leg so it looks like a half hight D.

I'll make a couple attempts to take a photo.. not sure how they'll turn out though. I'll post them later on today.
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 Posted 04/26/2010  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tiker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry I didn't upload images earlier, had some troubles getting them.

With the images blown up and a flash it looks like the leg of the P is scratched there but not actually engraved. Below are two coins, the bottom is D mint, the top is the one in question. Let me know what you think (if you can make anything out from my pictures).

Thanks.

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 Posted 04/27/2010  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the pictures, definitely a chipped edge die.
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