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1911 25 Cent AU 50 - 58 ?

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 Posted 04/29/2010  11:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add D to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
There are some light marks on this coin which when viewed under the microscope appear to be a bit more than bag marks ( possibly cleaned ) Is this a case of a potential MS coin graded down..



1911---25--Cent---AU-50-----58-?

1911---25--Cent---AU-50-----58-?
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 Posted 04/30/2010  12:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin,I'd say AU58 minimum,possibly an MS coin that's been dipped.
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D, would you be willing to shoot pics of the coin again after adjusting the white balance on your camera?
I think the colors are playing tricks on my eyes. :p
Detail wise I don't see why it doesn't make MS61 according to my grading standards. Unless that is damage on the "E" in "George"... Wheres the middle part of the "E"? :p
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 Posted 04/30/2010  07:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There could be a flat spot on a rev. leaf that is not noticable by the pic. Nice Coin! How does it compare here?
http://www.coinoisseur.com/GradingCoins.html
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Forgive my rambling...

This is always the problem grading from photos, while I'm confident any competent collector can asses details in a photo what you can't see unless the photo is truly professional are the contact marks in order to make accurate assessment as to origins of said marks.

It's not not just the camera and it's macro capabilities, it's the handling and reducing of the data as it's passed along from application to application and then finally reduced and posted.

I admit, I've sat and manipulated photos to get the best contrasts and highlight certain details. There are methods for enhancing wear points to make them more visible etc but it's still not perfect. I know I've lost out on good deals because I'm not willing to take a chance (whether TPG graded or not) because I don't trust the photos (through no fault of a seller).

I find flat scans better for detecting wear than photos because a scanner by default gets the most detail from the high points on a coin. Photos are better for assessing luster and toning when done right.

Some of the best photos around the sales sites are at Teletrade but even then they aren't high enough detail to suit me.

Some of the best coin photos I've seen around here are the ones hhkiddo takes. He does a good job with angles to make contact points jump up.
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Snaz... here are some better pictures taken with natural light during the day time instead of artifical light at night. The E is ok, its just the angle I took the picture at that makes it look like its missing..



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 Posted 04/30/2010  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU looks correct to me.
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