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Do Whitman Holders Cause Toning On Coin Reverse?

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I have noticed that coins stored in old Whitman holders sometimes have toning or staining on the reverse and sometimes the rims. Currently, anything I have of value is either stored in Dansco albums or are in third party slabs. Is this a common problem with Whitmans? What I currently have in them is recent dimes, nickels, and pennies and maybe some Washington quarters. All of the coins are of average circulated condition. But I'm thinking, if this is what Whitman will do to them over time, maybe I should just put all in Dansco? Advice?
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I have noticed it too.
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 Posted 05/04/2010  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RollHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The old folders certainly do, and it's not just Whitman folders that do it - I have a nearly complete set of mercs and roosies in a Dansco folder from the 50's and all the reverses are stained black. Not so sure about the newer ones though.
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I don't know about silver or nickel, but copper and cardboard don't seem to mix very well. I bought an old whitman of wheats at a garage sale recently and most of the reverses were nasty. They had a film of some sort, some had corroded, and a lot of them had a good chunk of the paper stuck to them.

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I am amazed the Whitman company has not been sued yet. I NEVER leave coins in one of their albums as they are GUARANTEED to destroy your coin collection. I have seen THOUSANDS of wonderful coins destroyed by these inferior holders. I have purchased countless sets of pennies and silver that had been stored in these things. I hate seeing wonderful coins significantly devalued because of them. Any silver or copper coins are especially succeptible to them.

Do yourself a favor. If you must store coins in a holder use a Dansco but be advised the plastic will slide across the face of your coins and damage them. Of course this is still better than having them corroded by Whitman folders. Additionally coins will tarnish in a Dansco (or any other album) as well so please keep that in mind.

Personally I only use flips as they work much better at both preserving the coin from tarnish and at the same time protecting it from scratches. If you are going to invest in coins you should also invest in the items nescessary to protect them. Otherwise you are just throwing money in the trash bin. Sincerely, John Leckrone
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Good call John.I use flips as well.You make it a matter of fact.I have pulled copper from some of the Whitmans that were stuck to the backing.What a horrible thing.
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05/04/2010 10:11 am
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Whitman albums are perfectly safe if used correctly, it is the Whitman folders that can cause trouble.

Also, if you take care of the coins in the Dansco and are careful with them, the plastic slides will not harm the coin.
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Yup scooby.Same thing.Beautiful on the front,disaster on the reverse.Have a 1922 no MM that was in a Whitman,Grandad put it there 70 years ago.Took it out and the backing was stuck to it.Talk about nasty. Hmm.Had to put it in soapy water.
P.S. To add to this, just pulled a NEW Whitmans from the safe yesterday. All the copper is discolored and I have 5 moister dis placers in there.
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Carefull with the flips. There are some that are archival and some that are not. I should know since I used to order coin supplies for a dealer.

As for toning as a result of the Whitmans, you do get some cruddy ones, and there are some nice ones too.
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Whitman albums are perfectly safe if used correctly, it is the Whitman folders that can cause trouble.
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Whitman albums are perfectly safe if used correctly, it is the Whitman folders that can cause trouble.


Both Dansco and Whitman albums need to be stored properly. They are not air tight, so be mindful of the environment you keep them in: low humidity and stable temperature.
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 Posted 05/06/2010  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smithnick0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dansco are the best
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fcrazo,

I hear all the time about the non-archival flips and all the PVC discussions, but nobody ever says which ones contain PVC and which ones do not. And by "flips", I assume you don't mean 2x2's, right? Can you recommend a brand so that I don't keep wondering if the flips I have contain PVC or not?

I was thinking about switching over to the Intercept shield airtites, but they are a little costly. And I like the presentation look of the Dansco's, too. But, as mentioned, the plastic sleeves can scratch the surface and they aren't air tight either.

I wish they made a Dansco that held airtites!

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Scooby, check this out:

https://goccf.com/t/64035
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I use Dansco's for all my date sets that I've built (nearly all from junk silver and circulation). I use a Dansco for my type set however I'm very careful about how my coins are positioned in their holes. I make sure they are pressed just far enough in the they are touching the revers plastic (who ever removes that one anyway) and that makes for about a 1-2 mm gap between the obverse and the plastic sheet.
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where are the cheapest danscos sold?
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There is a great numismatic supply company called Transline Wholesale Supply Company out of California. They don't deal with the public, BUT, one can set up a business account (loop hole) and possibly go from there. If one calls them up mention that it's for your "Shop" .They have a listing of flips from standard to archival. Lookup https://www.TRANSLINESUPPLY.COM They take credit cards. You can get a group of friends and split the costs. They do take credit cards.

Boy it seems I'm giving out too many secrets of the darkside lately
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