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What Would You Do With This V Nickel Update Before And After

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 Posted 05/06/2010  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I have a well.. what I guess is a fairly rare Irish crown (posted here https://goccf.com/t/64099). I'm not sure if it's real or not, although I bought it some time ago from what appears to be a reputable dealer. It has a fair amount of crusting on it, much like the nickel you posted - it's like a black, tarry goo that has hardened. I'm not super stressed, so I'm not going to rush out and acid dip it, but if plunking it in vinegar will get rid of all that crud so I can see it better and verify that it's real - if it's not going to hurt the value of the coin considerably, perhaps I should try it!

Although, as I type here, I'm thinking perhaps I should find a good British forum to post it on to get advice - when I made my first posting here last week I was under the impression that this is one of the most active fora - and for American coins, it is... not so much for older non-American, it seems. =)

Thanks for showing the results of the vinegar bath though, Gold! It's amazing to see that transformation...
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 Posted 05/06/2010  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I checked out your thread, that looks like a very interesting coin. I know nothing about that coin and in no way could tell you how to clean it or not .. or even if you should.

Also I do not want to be known as an advocate for cleaning coins. I think it should be a decision
each person should make for themselves, and in my opinion, only on coins that are so bad, like ones that would not be graded by TPG because of damage or corrosion.

From my experience and from reading many threads on here, I know that different coins react differently with each cleaning process. And I am sure if I had a coin that had good value that I would not clean it.

As far as the 1908 nickel, I had it in the vinegar for 2 or 3 weeks, checking it everyday. Changing the vinegar every couple days.

I have cleaned other coins, I would have to say coins this bad most often do not turn out as good as that 1908.
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 Posted 05/06/2010  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add artyboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first one I would leave as is. It looks pretty good. The second one was too far gone to worry about it having any value. Cleaning it could only make it better.
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 Posted 05/06/2010  11:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's pretty nice for a dug coin. My dug Buffalos and the one V I've found were in such rough shape I didn't have to worry about cleaning hurting it. I wonder if a short vinegar dip (a few hours) might give you the best balance of removing some of that discoloration without affecting the grade of the coin.

I see a couple people are giving the "don't clean" advice as a blanket statement about coins. While it is debatable if this particular coin should be cleaned, I find it very misleading to say NEVER clean a coin. To me that is advice for a new numismatist to keep them from running off half cocked and ruining their collection. I'd say very, very few coins should be cleaned, and most of those shouldn't get anything worse done to it than an acetone rinse or a dip in olive oil.

There is a big exception to the cleaning rules though. Dug coins (primarily from metal detecting). These coins have been sitting in the ground for 50, 100, 200 years or more. In Europe they still find 2000 year old coins! When exposed to moist soil (which has many dissolved salts and minerals) for years and years nasty things happen to metal. Some coins are unrecognizable due to the covering of corrosion developed over the years. A good and proper cleaning can restore value to them. Check out this website to see some good examples. http://metaldetectingworld.com/clea...n_coin.shtml
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 Posted 05/07/2010  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting website Saruma.

I will have to take the time and try to read though it.

I have messed up quite a few dug large cents in my early attempts at cleaning coins. I also have a early Half Cent and Two Cent coin that I have soaking in olive oil for last couple years .. maybe I can try something new
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 Posted 05/07/2010  02:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Cool - so noted! Thanks, Saruma! Based on what you're saying (and a hunch) I'll leave my crown alone. ; )
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 Posted 06/16/2010  4:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it any better?

I did the vinegar. Then carried in my pocket, off and on for over a month.

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 Posted 06/16/2010  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That looks tons better!
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 Posted 06/16/2010  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. Much Much better!
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 Posted 06/16/2010  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Anarchus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NICE!! I have a 1901 with the same problem... I had no idea vinegar could do that...
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 Posted 06/17/2010  04:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twincam_04 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it looks a lot better !

how long did you leave it in the vinegar?
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It was in for about a week. I changed the vinegar every other day.

You really have to keep checking the coin, I think it could get bad, if left in to long.
This is not really something I would recommend someone doing, I have only been doing it to coins like this that I found metal detecting. Ones that have little or no value, but look better if cleaned up a little bit.
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 Posted 06/17/2010  4:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to say that I am impressed with the improvement.
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 Posted 06/17/2010  4:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That definitely looks better! The surfaces look much less porous too. Looking at the coin in hand, did it seem to reduce the porosity? Congrats!
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 Posted 06/17/2010  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would say, that is does not look as porous as some I have seen.

I do think there are only a certain condition nickels this process helps.

I have tried it on a few Buffalo nickel and did not really like how they came out.

I think the rim ding and the damage to the nick (of Liberty) is what really hold this coin back, as far as value.

This one and the 1908 I cleaned have really changed my mind about Liberty head nickels.
Today I went through a box at my local coin store. He let me have my pick for .80 cents each.
I was very surprised that a few of them are in pretty good shape. I did not have my reading glasses but once I got them home, there were are few that could go fine one maybe very fine. I saw two 1912's that had mint marks, but once I got them home they were both D's. One a 1902 good shape but has a hint of PVC damage. Going to try acetone first, them maybe a very short time in the vinegar.
I will have to check out the nickel boxes more often. I think it is nice to get all the nickels from 1898 to 1912 plus the two 12 D's for $15.00. All because I was looking for some nickels that might be good to clean/restore.
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