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Valued Member
United States
67 Posts |
Anyone here stick to graded slabbed coins? I've been collecting for some time now, and starting to reevaluate my collection. Even after reading, researching, and being warned, I made the newbie mistakes. Made some bad buys, bought stuff I didn't really want, bought quantity instead of quality, and so on. But I learned a lot. I had started working on a 7070, with a few nice pieces in it worth submitting for grading, but I'm really thinking about starting over and going with a nice graded type set, and keeping everything slabbed. Here's my reasoning. -I want the highest grade I can afford, for the type. -These coins are going to cost a nice chunk of change, so I want them to be real, and getting the grade I'm paying for. -Protection, I like to look at the coins, handle them. Not a fan of the albums for this. -If/when I upgrade, selling a slabbed coin should be easier? I've decided that a really nice example of a coin does way more for me that a handful or bag full of low grade well circulated coins and I'll leave the quantity for the bullion stack. Just looking for some advice on this strategy, as I'm now researching much more BEFORE I buy.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1534 Posts |
No, definitely not. Stick to researching and then slowly start buying the coins. For instance, if you need a Morgan dollar in MS-65, learn to grade them and pick out a nice raw 65, or possibly slabbed. It is perfectly fine to buy slabbed coins, but don't look out only for them. Have an open eye for nice raw coins, and remember to research and make sure you aren't getting a bad deal. However, if you already know how to grade and spot a counterfeit, and only want slabbed coins for the fun of it, that's perfectly fine too. Remember that you'll have to judge a slabbed coin based on its merits and quality, just like a raw coin. Slabs do not automatically mean the coin is accurately graded and the coin does not have any problems.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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First off, are you a collector or an investor? What I see for the most part is that investors lean more towards slabbed coins, but collectors like to "feel" the coins and put them in albums. Collectors usually are more interested in the history and usually have more general coin knowlege, where as investors focus more on value trends. There are many collectors of slabbed coins too. Personally, I only own 5 slabbed coins, but I have purchased dozens and cracked many of them out to put into my album. That probably isn't the best move investment wise, but it brings me a lot more joy looking at them together in an album.
Coins slabbed in top tier slabs will almost always bring more money, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the coins are better than raw. I personally think it wise to purchase slabbed coins if you are going to make larger purchases before you really dig into books and have the knowlege to back it up. Slabbed coins greatly diminishes your risk, since you have several unbiased experts that have authenticated and evaluated the coin for you. However, it doesn't completely eliminate risk, like wheatguy said. Top Tier grading is the closest thing we have to a consistent universal way of evaluating coins, but there are still many variations within a grade, such as eye appeal, originality, and strike that isn't always accounted for in a grade. Learning how to pick out PQ coins, eye appealing coins, and original coins; as well as being able to authenticate and accurately grade is invaluable whether you are looking at raw or slabbed coins.
Edited by johnny54321 05/17/2010 6:26 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
Basically as noted already. If your an investor, nothing like a slabbed coin for resale. If you are just a hobbiest collector with little thoughts of reselling, forget those slabs. Even if for some reason you got taken and bought a fake, if you didn't know it when you bought it, you probably never will since if your a collector, you'll never have it authenticated. There are probably many collectors with fakes in their collections and don't have any idea that they are fakes and will never know. Again, if your thinking about selling off coins in the future, you can't beat a slabbed coin. And too, there are many that like to say things like "Of course this cost a little more. It's in a PCGS slab"
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Pillar of the Community
Luxembourg
588 Posts |
My main area of interest are French coins.In Europe slabs are not (yet?) vey popular. I have 4 NGC slabbed coins and I am disappointed when comparing my grade to the one on the slab for all except one. I know this cannot necessarily be compared to the situation in the US, but you should always keep in mind to buy the coin not the slab. My recommendation is to learn to grade the coins of your area of interest. Then you can buy raw coins without risk.
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 Australia
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I've never bought a slabbed coin, and don't plan on doing so anytime soon. Most of the dealers down here don't sell them.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Valued Member
United States
487 Posts |
I can say with out a doubt that purchasing slab coins, has it rewards as well as its draw backs. I learned a lesson from both wheatguy and superdave that has had me reevaluate my slab coin purchasing from now on and into the future. Read about what you want to collect, as well as learn to grade coins. That is what I'm undertaking right now. Go online and find websites that tell you of past auction performances of slab coins you are interested in purchasing. Don't pay attention to the price guides of the TPG services. A coin is worth only what another person is willing to pay for that coin. Just letting you know of the important lesson I have learned. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1055 Posts |
I am currently working on a Buffalo nickel and a 7070 type set completely made from certified top tier coins. I do know how to grade the coins and I know what I am looking at so I am not relying on the slabs as a crutch, mainly I like the re-saleability of the slabbed coins and the long term protection provided by the case, I can hold the slab and not worry about dinging the coin if the slab slips from my grasp...I personally feel the slabs offer greater protection than any album plus there are binder pages designed to handle the slabs (or baseball card sleeves also work.) I consider myself a profit conscious collector so I certainly enjoy the history of a coin and want to buy the best coin I can afford but am also conscious of future profit potential. As with anything there are different strokes for different folks. Find your niche in the hobby and run with it.
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Valued Member
United States
258 Posts |
Also I cannot stress this enough. BUY THE COIN, NOT THE CONTAINER! I have seen several overgraded coins in pcgs, ngc and anacs slabs. At the same time I have seen others that I felt were undergraded. In short be selective with what you buy. Put a loop to the coin to make sure it really does match the grade listed on the holder. Otherwise it will not sell very well (if at all) assuming the grade is inflated. Buy low and sell high and remember buy quality, not quantity. Sincerely, John Leckrone
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Moderator
 United States
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Interesting topic ....... here are my views: Numismatics is a hobby whereby acquisition of knowledge is critical to success. The more one learns, the greater the enjoyment and financial safety available from the pursuit of ones goals. I suppose the ultimate goal of any dedicated collector would be to acquire enough knowledge to consider themselves 'experts' in their chosen interests ...... whatever that might be in the entire universe of coin collecting. For those who have worked hard enough and long enough to achieve this level of knowledge ..... the question of slabbed versus raw is not an issue ....... they have the ability to 'read' the coin .... and make the appropriate judgements. This level of knowledge is exemplified by the ability to take a pile of raw coins and assign each a grade, authenticity, strike quality, eye appeal, value, look for all known varieties and cherry pick the best of the lot. Folks with that skill can confidently purchase a raw 1909-S VDB Cent a 1916-D Mercury, or a full-strike 1926-S Buffalo nickel. That said ...... slabbed coins are a great equalizer for the rest of us who have not yet studied enough to reach that level.  Top-tier TPG coins give us (me) the confidence that they are genuine and some insight into their condition. TPG grades are not a substitute for 'quality' ...... strike quality and eye appeal will always be subjective and incumbent on the individual to determine. Sooooo .... there are many reasons to enjoy the fact of TPG slabbed coins ...... as pointed out above. I admit to having most of my Classic US Silver Commemorative Collection in PCGS slabs ....... I just do not have the knowledge yet to distinguish between MS63 or MS65 for 50 different coins! Hope to be an 'expert' someday ...... David
Edited by nickelsearcher 05/22/2010 9:47 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
585 Posts |
Let your coin run free !
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
As noted many of the graded companies slabs appear to be not to accurate as to the grade. Myself, I have no slabbed coins. I've purcahsed some due to the price and a coin I needed otherwise I virtually hate slabs and as soon as I get home I break them out. The problem around me is everyone is going slab happy. I go to about to 4 coin shows a Month and as a guess, I'd say about 50% of all coins at these shows are in slabs. Many dealers have only slabbed coins. What really irritates me is I've seen coins worth a dollar or two in a slab. The dealers are still asking for about $10 due to the slab. And if in a PCGS or NGC slab, even higher prices. I've discussed this with dealers I know and they all agree on one thing. A slabbed coin sells faster and better than a raw coin any day. Mostly I think the wave of counterfeit coinage is creating this madness. Yet we can complain as much as we want about slabbed coins but more and more grading services are popping up all the time and the present ones are doing fantastic buisnesses.
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Valued Member
United States
254 Posts |
In my opinion, if you are buying expensive (the amount is for you to determine) mint state coins, you should stick with PCGS or NGC until you become an expert grader, at which point you will feel comfortable buying expensive raw coins. I buy both raw and slabbed Coins. Raw for circulated, cheaper coins and slabbed for the mint state or more expensive coins.
Edited by rkp 05/25/2010 01:11 am
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Valued Member
 United States
67 Posts |
Well, after much thought, I've decided graded is the way to go for me. The main reason being, I have all intentions of possible reselling my coins in the future, for upgrades when the time comes, or when my collecting takes a turn in a different direction. Currently collecting sets of the same type does nothing for me. I've always liked the idea of having a type set, so that's my collecting focus. Plus I'm at the stage in my current 7070 that I wouldn't buy any of the remaining coins not graded.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3692 Posts |
I think that if you're a good enough grader that you don't need others to tell you what grade your coin is.
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Valued Member
United States
270 Posts |
I only buy slabbed coins that are the keys, just because there are so many good "copys"
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