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Collecting Only Slabbed Coins?

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 Posted 06/08/2010  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rkp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you made the right decision for these more expensive coins.
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 Posted 06/08/2010  10:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


First off I own both Slabbed and Raw coins. I never buy the slab even if it is a PCGS slab. I have seen mis grades by them as well as others. It is well noted that many well known dealers have cracked a case and re-submitted a coin a number of times and have been upgraded on the 2nd or third time around. I have done it my self with a varying degree of success with the same TPG. I have also done this and lost a grade or two.

Grading companies seem to run in streaks as far as how tight or loose they all grade at. I would suggest you only place 70% on the grade if it is with one of the major companies, PCGS, NGC, and ANACS.....ANACS has been very tight on Morgans since they when to the yellow slab, I have sent 6 coins for cross-over and 5 have been re-graded (1*) grade higher.

I find collecting a balancing act of truly collecting and investing in coins. I will buy a coin in a G or VG if I need it. Many of the most expensive VAM's that are very rare the top grade is a XF or lower. A normal mint state 1878 P in a 64 grade books at around 200.00 or so. in a Vam-44 in XF this coin will top out around 2,500 or more as the type is very rare in any grade!

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 Posted 06/14/2010  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have read this topic well, I have also many slabbed coins and much more raw ones, I do believe there are a majority of people who believe a slabbed coin "guarantees" them a safe investment, when in actuality, I have seen, like others, many coins overgraded, and some even undergraded.

I have been collecting for almost 27 years and have become able to grade certain coins better than others, I am not an expert grader for all coins, yet, but if you can educate yourself to grade accurately, you are doing well, meaning, I would concentrate on raw coins and forget the slabs, which are just another persons opinion anyway!!

A good education is the best tool for anyone looking to buy or sell coins!PS, Look out for coins from China!!
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 Posted 06/15/2010  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Previously I mentioned at coin shows I see about 50% of all coins slabbed. At a coin show last Sunday I now stand corrected. I'd now say about 70% are in slabs. This slab stuff is getting sick. Like I said, people are getting slabhappy.
A dealer had a 1909S VDB in a 2x2 that had the letters MS-64 hand written on the upper right. I asked how much and how can you prove it's real. He said it was in a NGC slab but since the slab was cracked, he took it out and place it in a 2x2 but if interested, he would give me the slab too. His price, non negotiable, was about $1,000 higher than even the Red Book. His reasoning is it WAS in a slab. So now dealers want more if a coin WAS in a slab?
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 Posted 06/16/2010  02:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


I had the same thing happen in a store in Cleveland on a PCGS coin, just a common 1881S MS 64 the guy priced at 68.00 plus the grading fee!

I looked at the guy and told him I could buy one 20 times in a day On E-Bay for under 60.00. He looked at me and said, well grading cost money. I just shook my head ..and asked Why he would send in a mid grade common coin.

He than said he did not he had bought it from an estate. We all know he did not pay right column retail for it. He wanted retail plus
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 Posted 06/16/2010  02:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add deadmunny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Register another "NO" vote for slabs. Why pay for the plastic and TPG's blessing? I do own a handful of slabs because they were a part of a collection I purchased, but I do not actively seek out or even look at those at coin shows.
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 Posted 06/16/2010  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pandesalapi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect both slabbed and raw coins.
I prefer slabbed coins only for the ones that needs protection, may it be in a mint state or proof specimens.
My interest goes for my album collection because I felt that raw coins are more enriching and enjoyable to hold.
Recently, through this community forum, I've learned from a pillar of the community that there exist an airtight slab thing that serves as protection for raw coins. We are lucky that we can now enjoy protection for our valued raw coins with these airtights...
So in my opinion, go for the raw ones, because you can now enjoy both for your coin...enjoy it being in its raw stage while encased it through these airtights for its protection as a slabbed ones does...
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 Posted 06/16/2010  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwisker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like both.
The slabs for the protection and the helping hand in the grading aspect.
Loose, just for the enjoyment of holding it in my had and being able to place it in one of my books.
I don't gennerally buy into the "inflated slab" price. A 30.00 coin is stll a 30.00 coin regardless of what it is in. As for the clown dealer saying "it was an NGC cert"...somehow I really don't think so, and I most likely would not buy anything from him...ever.
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 Posted 06/16/2010  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cownas22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is hilarious that the dealer wants the buyer to pay the certification fee on top of full retail

I own both slabs and raw coins and enjoy both aspects, but I would never pay a dealer the grading fee, especially if he did not send the coin in at my request, that is just crazy. Yes, a TPGs opinion is just another persons opinion, but that other person has had access to many thousands more coins to grade than I have and more than likely is vastly more experienced than me, so I do value the TPG opinion, however I still grade the coin myself and compare it to the grade on the slab then determine if I will buy it.
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 Posted 06/16/2010  4:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whytlash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most of my collection is raw because I do enjoy piecing together a set, handling the coin, examining it without the interference of plastic, inserting it into an album, and the ease of display in an album.

But I do have many slabbed coins as well. The majority of those are Commems (all of my "classic" commems are raw in a Dansco), and "special" coins. Like the '06-date Gold Buffalo's in MS70, MS69 and PF69 Silver Eagles '86-date (I know, bullion, another conversation in itself!), and such. I also got a good deal way back when on an '07 and '08 Presidential BU FDOI NGC set and have collected those that way since. And a few other odds and ends, like the '09 Lincoln cents.

I like the protection factor of slabs, but it's a more bulky solution, and display is a different challenge. I also began "slabbing" my own, using the Coin World slabs for some coins, mostly single pieces that I do not have an album for. I did start of "General U.S. Coins" Dansco, and got a little tossed about whether I'd prefer some of those coins in the CW slabs instead. I did move some into those slabs, mostly the higher end examples. But it was nice opening that Dansco and seeing a page with a line of small cents with the FE, IH, and various examples of the Lincoln from an '09vdb to a recent proof.

At the end of the day, I like both but for differing purposes. I got on a run of 1854 coins, and I find it nice to have the Half Cent, large cent, Half Dime, dime, quarter, and half dollar all together in slabs. In an album they would be separated. I have a 1916 MS65 FSB Mercury that I find more suitable in a CW slab than in the "General" Dansco. For that hole I just use a nice Bu 40's Merc to go in line with the other dimes.

So, there IS a "method" to my "madness"! But really, do whatever turns you on at any given moment.

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 Posted 09/24/2010  05:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wilbur Clark to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I ever buy a slabbed coin it will be to break it out & then add the coin to my collection!
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 Posted 09/29/2010  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jnesbitt82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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In my opinion, if you are buying expensive (the amount is for you to determine) mint state coins, you should stick with PCGS or NGC until you become an expert grader, at which point you will feel comfortable buying expensive raw coins. I buy both raw and slabbed Coins. Raw for circulated, cheaper coins and slabbed for the mint state or more expensive coins.





In my opinion, there are way to many counterfeits out there for the rare key date coins. I buy the higher dollar coins slabbed just to help ease my mind.
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 Posted 09/29/2010  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sgtbigred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I for one do not agree with some of the posts. Not all buyers of slabbed coins are investors. I do not buy simply for investment, I like to complete sets that are of a documented value and authentic. There are way too many raw coins and when you ask for a grade, you get many grades. There are also many counterfeits coming from China and who knows where else.

Some like to hold a coin, touch a coin and some even polish their coins. This does more harm then good for a coin.
If you want quality and protection, then slabbed is designed for that purpose. BUT, remember if you buy those slabbed coins from unknown or small companies, they are cheaper but the grades are always way off.

Even the top two will grade a coin and many will say it is under graded (usualy those that bought it and are not happy) or some say it is over graded. Once again, grading is speculative. There is no one person who is an expert, they can advise but even then someone else will disagree. This is why they are called "third party grading", there is more then just one person reviewing the coin.

As to graded and slabbed coins, the main advantage is if you want to insure the coins and get their value reimbursed if they are stolen or damaged, insurance companies do not rely on an owners "opinion" as to a coins grade.

The last and most important part comes if you want to sell that coin. You are bound to get a better price graded and authenticated then you would if it was a raw coin.
But then to each his own.
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 Posted 09/29/2010  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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You are bound to get a better price graded and authenticated


True, but that also is in effect when buying slabbed coins, so you're probably paying a premium both when you buy and sell slabbed coins, which about evens out when it comes to buying raw. As I mentioned earlier, if you know how to grade and authenticate, then you don't have to be afraid of raw coins. I've made better profits on raw coins than slabbed, since many slabbed coins are overpriced. You can get ripped off just as easily buying slabbed compared to raw.
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There's no fun in just collecting slabbed coins.
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