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 Posted 05/22/2010  3:42 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Finally got around to taking some pics of the ink smudges and smears of my finds from UN circulated bricks. I only save CU's, else there will always be a doubt in my minds as to it's authenticity. Most of mine are minor, but they look better in hand and they were a $1 each.

The clean note is for comparision purposes. The note in question (2nd pic) has about 30 to 40 % of the note with green and black ink spots.

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I call this the tear drop note as Ink smear is from the Eagles neck down.

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Similar to above (With ink From O)

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The letter "A" in the FRB seal

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Ink smear on SN's

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The E from ONE on the revrse is coming through nicely with some ink on the obverse as well.
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 Posted 05/22/2010  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twincam_04 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i have been running printing presses for 20+ years... grab a stack and pull it out of the press , yes you'll smudge inks, have you even found one with fingerprints in the ink?

operating a paper knife also during this time, when you're getting ink from the other side of the note in reverse, it's called "offset" meaning there wasn't enough ink drying time allowed before they were cut down, pressure from the clamp will make ink from one side offset to the note that it's pressed against
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05/22/2010 3:49 pm
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 Posted 05/22/2010  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No and it would be nice to have one. The ones that have been found are suspect in nature per Sullivan's book.

Go down a few posts and check my wet ink transfer find from a few weeks back.

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i had some with fingerprints on them. are they valuable? I didn't know!
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 Posted 05/23/2010  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Siuol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a whole bunch of these I've saved. Most of them are circulated, but I still don't care they look cool. I will try to post them tomorrow night after I get out of work.
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Adam, I was just curious about the fingerprints, I dont know if they would add value or not- I was asking because I know I've left fingerprints on plenty of press sheets that ended up being books and magazines throughout the years
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Here are some with seals and FRB numbers with streaking. I have a bunch more. I just think they are cool .

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These are some of my better obstructions or splitting on the serial numbers:

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Here is a smudged FRB seal:

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Smudged serials:

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This next one you can see the ghost of the FRB seal and some numbers. I'm pretty sure the numbers are 366 from the serial numbers on the left of the note.

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Treasury seal transfer:

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I can't decide what has caused this but the H in John's signature is crossed. It doesn't look like pen in person. Plus the rest of the note is pretty clean.

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A 2 and part of a finger print:

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Over inked FRB seal:

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Over inked treasury seal:

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I have a bunch were part of a serial number is missing, but this is one of the better ones:

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These next ones have a chipped serial number. I'm fairly certain the same piece of machinery was used to make all three notes. The first note is series 2003A the other two series 2006. All three are plate position D4. All were printed at the DC facility. I have more with the same number chipped too. It is the number 9 fourth number in.

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These next three notes have under inking on the right serial numbers. They are all plate position H3 from the same block and run, but were found at different times. The one on top has the most under inking because is was printed last. You can see it in the middle of the serials. The bottom image is for comparison

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I have a bunch more of these types of notes. Maybe I'll post more in the next few days. Hope everyone enjoys.
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Sioul,

Nice pics. Now I feel silly as I have passed on some of the ones you are pulling specially the splitting of the serial numbers, part Sn missing and under / over inking of the SN / seal. The SN issues sometimes run through most a brick.

Does the figure print note have anything else going for it?

I am hoping to collect a whole bunch and then get them graded at some point in the future. There are others that I have but since I am only operating with a camera the pics just do not pick up the finer detail. I have a about 4 to 5 where the left side SN is inked through to the reverse.

Also have you noticed blotches of foreign items imbedded in the paper (not security threads)? They are usually brown in color and about the size of a small "o" (various shapes). Most if it not all of them have been on the reverse side of the note around the ONE area. If you find one in an UNC brick chances are good there is another 3 or 4 in the brick lurking around.

Let's keep this going as and when we stumble across these and thank you for posting yours.

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 Posted 05/24/2010  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Siuol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't feel silly about passing on those. I'm not sure if they are worth anything. In all likelihood they are not, but I think they look cool and I only ever pay face for them so its not like I'm losing money. I also keep notes that have misaligned serial numbers. I have a LOT of those. In some instances I have 13 or 14 notes from the same position and run with the same problem with the serial. All of them are from circulation or from stacks of circulated ones from the bank; I hardly ever get uncirculated ones. I'm keeping them because someday I plan take pictures of them and then release most of them back into the wild, but I have to find the time to do that .

The finger print note doesn't really have anything else going for it, I just thought it was interesting. As for the foreign objects embedded in the paper I haven't noticed that, but now I will be on the lookout.

Hopefully in the next few days I'll get some scans up of the misaligned axles or some of the other under inked ones.
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 Posted 05/25/2010  06:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What ever you do not get rid of the ink smudges as long as you think it is legit.

Below is the pic of the brown spot I speak of (although on the pic it looks green). This is a Un circulated note which I took from a plastic sealed BEP brick. You cannot see the spot on the other side as it always appears around the ONE area (may be it is more visible on the white parts of the note).

It is embedded in the paper and could be pulp or something like that. This is one of the smaller spots. I do not like taking my unc's out, so when I find a bigger spot next time I will post another pic. I have one where you can see the print / ink on top of the brown spot. Ergo, it is inside of the paper stock.



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OT - I ran into to some nice UNC bricks yesterday and once I am done I will update.

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 Posted 05/25/2010  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Siuol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Strange... I have never noticed them but as I said I will be on the look out now.
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Sioul, Here's more from the bricks I went through.

Almost every FIRST note had the smudge at the same spot (FRB Seal) starting with the 4829 9 brick.



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Brown spot inside of the O. Weird it's always around that area. This is a small spot. I am staring to think that it is either security threads not broken up properly or paper pulp.

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I wish this one would have got messed up more.

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Take a look at these ink variances on $2's.

These $2's below have different Ink issues (light black Ink and Green ink on the numbers (thin)). Also what is the green on the obverse of the note? (2 notes on left side). Is it ink from reverse OR did someone try to Clean it? They are all 1976 for comparison purposes and are in remarkably good condition (AU- to AU+). The notes with the green feel diff like there is some sort of wax and is some what stiff. Has anyone encountered this type of thing in the past?



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Black ink light on second note

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Spoke to someone about the green on the notes. One possibility is that the notes were stored in protectors that contained PVC for an extended period of time with a good amount of light exposure.

The other possibility is solvents from the printing process - I have not seen a color pic of a clean note with solvents. Ergo, I am not sure how it looks. If this is the case then it's an error.

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The ink is light on the jacket on the 3 notes in the center and sn 40 being affected the most. These are all unc's.

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I would assume that the ink transfered to the back of the note above it. I have noticed that happens a lot with dollars. Or maybe they wiped a little too much ink off the plate before they printed those sheets. It would be interesting to see what other positions from that run look like. As for the 2s I think the Pvc holder my be the case given that the are 76s so they could have spent a while in them.
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