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 Posted 06/11/2010  06:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the pic of back of the notes same order. You can see some of the ink on the other notes.

However I have seen a lot of notes with heavy MINOR impressions of the jacket coming through to the reverse. Not sure if this a function of time spent in storage etc, as some of these notes were printed almost 18+ months ago.

FWIW, recently I saw quite a few pack of 5's (03A black and white printed april / may 06) where ink has rubbed of on the notes and I was thinking that age and storage caused it. When I say storage I mean notes being weighted down (top heavy) by other notes when they are in pallets.

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 Posted 06/16/2010  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
siuol,

Here is the brown spot again. This is one of the bigger ones and the 1st on the obverse and blows my theory of being on the reverse. I have to go back and inventory the SN's and see if there is some sort of a common theme (print date, district etc).

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 Posted 06/20/2010  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first note has a piece of fiber / thread running almost parallel to the surface. The fiber is white and on the left side is about 1/32 becoming about 1/16 to the right and is one continues piece. Also the jacket is missing / under inked. This is from circulation.

The second note has a streak / break running along the high points in the hair.


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 Posted 07/08/2010  01:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One of my customers spent these two bills in my store this week. The serials are consecutive but the person FOLDED them after getting them from the bank next door. As soon as I saw them I noticed the wet ink transfer, minor though it may be.

You can see the reversed ONE around the portrait, also the lettering at the top of the bill transferred, as well as some odd and end marking around the serial. As usual I had to debate as to whether or not to spend two whole dollars for them lol.

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 Posted 07/08/2010  07:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am hoping to find one with the full "ONE". The N coming through is sort of neat as it blends in with the portrait and is prominent in the nose area. This probably looks better in hand than the pic (that's how mine are).

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 Posted 08/31/2010  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tonyspoker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I came across this dollar the other day and wanted to know if its worth anything.

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 Posted 09/01/2010  06:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tony,
Welcome to CCF. That's a tough one in that you have to send it in for grading and find out if it's legit. If so, it should / would be referred to as a "large solvent smear"

Here is the issue with this note - "solvent smears" ONLY affect ONE side of the note. Ergo, this note has had a questionable past.
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 Posted 10/10/2010  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hacknot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just found this forum! Have quite a few of these uncirculated smudged U.S. dollar bills would like to have looked at. Curious of value. Here is a sample!

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 Posted 10/10/2010  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hacknot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thought I would include a second post with better close up photos>

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 Posted 10/10/2010  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Money to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the forum! Those are some nice ink smudges!
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Hacknot,
Welcome to CCF. What you have is progressive "solvent smears". IF legit they have a premium of $50 to $100 per note and the only way to do this is to have it authenticated.

Is there anything on the reverse of the notes? IF so then it's questionable. Also why is the right corner of the notes having a curved type effect?

Do you also have the notes where it is clear with no solvent smears? This too in the end will come into the valuation / final sale price. All this is assuming these are legit.
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The back of the bills look fine. I got these years ago when working at as a grocery store manager. Cashier opened a fresh stack of 50 1$ bills and we found the smudges (and yes I paid a dollar each to replace . On these bills the slightly up corner is due to the way they had been stored in a plastic bag.
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I would store them in currency protectors and get some sleeves that open up on 3 sides. This way you do not end up bending that right bottom corner.

These are not smudges -- They are "solvent smears"

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 Posted 10/10/2010  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hacknot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for getting back so quickly!! Just for my education, how would the "solvent smear" occur? I wish I had the money at the time to buy the entire 50 bill wrap!! As I mentioned the back of the bills look just fine. Where would you "suggest" getting them authenticated? Will be picking up some storage envelopes.
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 Posted 10/10/2010  6:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Have quite a few of these uncirculated smudged U.S. dollar bills


How many of the 50? 8 / 16?

Are SN 48 and 50 totally covered OR is that just the pic OR Is SN 49 more representative of the background whiteness of the notes in general?


Printing plates are cleaned with solvents and then wiped clean (this is an automated process). If the cleaning mechanism (wiper) does not wipe the "solvents" clean the solvent remains on the plate, gets on the sheet with printing ink creating the smear depending on how much solvent was still left on the plate (large / small Area).

As per grading there are numerous co's doing it. PCGS is probably the most recognized name currently. I would check to see when they run specials. Error grading costs about $15 and up per note. The reason I suggest grading is that "based" on what you have said so far these are "legit", they are high grade notes and you having them running in sequence and will fetch greater than $100 per note IF sold as "one" lot based on grade. (JMO)

My only concern is that right corner and not sure IF or how much it is going to knock the grade down. Do not try to counter fold or mess with that corner -- leave it as it is. It may straighten itself out once you get it into a currency sleeve "gently".

You have had these for this long so take your time with it and research it out. Goggle

Below is their website. Check the section on "grading Standards", "numeric scale" as well.

http://www.pcgscurrency.com/index.html
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