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French/English Token Help Needed

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Does anyone have any info on this token? Like is it a token or what?

Two dates and no denomination I'm pretty sure its a token of some sort, but whats the history?

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The effigies look unofficial, I'd say it's a privately issued token. I'm not sure about the message though, looks like something was going on. When I googled "Napoleon 1856" the very first link was this one.
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This token is extremely thin made of brass I see nothing to make me think it is two seperate coins or tokens joined together, Thanks for the reply.
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Yeah, in that discussion they were talking about reworked French coin. This is a token made originally with two monarchs. I just mean there was something going on between these two but I don't know what yet. I can't even tell if your token was made by a Brit or a French.

Edit: I take this back, it's in English, most likely done in UK.
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I see no privy marks,hallmarks or anything else that would help Identify it for date and origin.

It will remain a mystery for now, I will keep looking for some identy for it.
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This gentleman is Napoleon III, a nephew of the great Bonaparte; who holds the distinction of being the first French president, and last French monarch. Simultaneously

He spent some of his early life in England, and later died there after being deposed. Unlike his uncle he was a great friend and admirer of England and well liked by the English people.
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Tokens like these were usually issued as gaming counters.
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Yep, it's a British card game counter. I have one exactly like it.

Such tokens were sold in Britain by the bagful with decks of cards; you could use them to "gamble" with at a time when actual gambling on a card game was illegal.

The designs used for these tokens were usually as close as possible to designs of actual coins without coming afoul of anti-counterfeiting laws. As the laws were changed to try to outlaw the tokens too (or at least to try to force them into using less "coin-like" designs), the designs used by the counter-makers also changed. This design dates from about the time Napoleon III was in power (1860s-1870s). Earlier types than this were copies of the "spade" guinea and the sovereign-like Cumberland Jack; later types from the 1890's copied Boer Republic gold ponds.
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