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Need Help With This Coin ? Token ? | Nuremberg Jeton

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I do not know what this is or what value it has, it is 28mm and weighs 3.5 grams. Any information is appreciated. Thank you all in advance...

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The obverse is unfamiliar, but appears to be in the name of Louis XIV, king of France, late 17th C.
The reverse is almost certainly one of the known Nuremburg jeton patterns.
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Thank you alganbagerap...Now I have a good starting point I can follow up on..
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Am I the only one that finds it odd that they used "XIIII" instead of "XIV" for 14?
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Am I the only one that finds it odd that they used "XIIII" instead of "XIV" for 14?


You'll find a lot of them did that - using IIII rather than IV. I don't think it made much difference back then, 4 was 4
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... using IIII rather than IV, to represent 4, is also common on pocket watches(and oddly, some clocks) to avoid confusing VI (6) and IV (4) at a quick glance. Both of which are of course kinda close together and at the bottom of the face.
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This is one version of the clock numbering story:
"There is a story that a famous clockmaker had constructed a clock for Louis XIV, king of France. The clockmaker had naturally used IV for four. When the clock was shown to the king, he remarked that IIII should have been used instead of IV. When it was explained to him that IV was correct, he still insisted, so that there was nothing to do but change the clock dial. This introduced the custom of using IIII for four. This is probably only a story, however, as IIII occurs long before the time of Louis XIV. And this same story is also told in connection with other monarchs. There is one reason why IIII is preferable to IV, and it may have caused the change. On the other side of the clock dial the VIII is the heaviest number, consisting of four heavy strokes and one light one, as it is usually made. It would destroy the symmetry to have the IV with only two heavy strokes on the other side. Thus IIII with four heavy strokes is much to be preferred. The change may therefore have been made for reasons of symmetry."

From Time & Timekeepers, W. I. Milham, The Macmillan Company, New York, 1947, p. 196:
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The ancient Romans themselves were familiar with both the additive (IIII) and subtractive (IV) forms of their numerals, depending on the circumstances, though the additive was more common in everyday usage because it's more intuitively understood. On coins, the subtractive form was often used merely as a space-saving measure; IX takes up less space than VIIII. I even have a coin of Tiberius where, for reasons of space, IIX was used for "8" instead of VIII.
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