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The Republic Of China - 10 Cash

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Another coin from my childhood bag of goodies.....

I'm really stretching myself on this identification ....... do not have enough reference materials and a solid hour on the inter-web did not give me confidence I have it right ....... sooooo ...

I call this Y-303.1

Coin appears to be bronze, diameter is 28.2mm, weight unknown (no scale). What I could find on the web states that Y-303.1 was minted in 1920. I have no clue on the history or mintage.

The-Republic-Of-China---10-Cash

Flipping the coin in Medal rotation .....

The-Republic-Of-China---10-Cash

Would appreciate any help I can get with this one!

Also ..... short of purchasing an expensive reference book .... are there any good Internet sites that show accurate photos and statistics of these 10 cash coins? I have a few others with dragons on them ...... would truly enjoy knowing what they are and the stories behind them.

Many Thanks for any and all comments.

David
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 Posted 06/06/2010  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This look more closer to Y# 301.5 or .6 judging from the obverse. Made of copper.
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Don't have my Krause handy, but this is from 1911/1912. It's the Founding of the Republic commemorative.
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Agreed; KM/Y 301.5 would be my guess. The difference between 301.5 and 301.6 are whether there are "many" or "few" "stems" on the "flower", by which they mean the swirly ornaments on either side of the two flags. Since those ornaments on your coin are worn and/or damaged, it's hard to be certain.

I have a copy of "The Minted Ten-Cash Coins of China", a book assembled in 1971 from articles published by A.M.T.Woodward in the 1920s and 30s. I believe these same articles are what Krause (and/or Yeoman) based its classification on, though the descriptions in Krause are often abbreviated to the point of inscrutability.

This coin is listed in Woodward as number 989 (obverse G, reverse 12), struck in Nanjing (Nanking) and rated as "common".

Unlike certain other types of 10 cash coins, this coin doesn't have a mint name or mintmark on it. This should not be interpreted as therefore being a "central government issue" or intended for general circulation throughout the Republic as a whole, although this is how the catalogues usually treat them. Rather, such omissions were usually the result of corrupt mint officials, often acting under orders from local warlords, who wished to keep the exact number of coins they struck a secret (and therefore they could pocket as much seigniorage for themselves as possible).

Some general background you might be interested in: the cash referred to in the denomination is the English name for the traditional cast copper coin with the square hole, made in China for over 2000 years and finally rendered obsolete as a functional currency in the early years of the Republic (though they still had ceremonial usage). There were 1000 cash to a dollar, which became the official currency of China in the late 1800s. "10 cash" were therefore equal to 1 cent.

The two flags appearing on the obverse of your coin are the flags of the Wuchang Uprising, adopted by the Nationalist Army as a military banner, and the Five Races Flag of the Republic of China.

Mintage figures for Empire and early Republic coins are rarely known. Aside from the corrupt and secretive mint officials, there was also 50 years of civil war and invasion, during which may mint records were lost or destroyed.
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Allow me to respectfully disagree. Yes, this is a tricky one.
Both 301.5 and 301.6 have a single circle on the reverse, the coin in question has two, a solid one and a dotted one. The other decisive factor is the rosettes separating the legend (the best you can see the trace of one is between words "cash" (on the left) and "China" (on the right)).
That puts it at Y# 301, a copper coin struck at Nanking.
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Forgot to mention - the coin bears no date but was struck in 1912.
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Good catch, svslav. 301 plain it is.

The Woodward number is still correct.
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Great discussion ..... appreciate all the help with this one!

Sooooo ... I now have a copy of the 2008 Krause 35th Edition ..... and looking at Page 460 there are seven (7) possible 10 Cash coins dated 1912 that could fit the bill of the photo above ..... KM-301 through KM-301.6

Geepers ..... this book is a great reference.

Anyways ...... with some real photos and descriptions .... and with the coin in hand ....... I can work through the 7 possibilities and work to eliminate some ...... please bear with a newbie here .....

I admit right up front that this coin is so worn that it might be impossible to distinguish between dots, stars and florals that are the key to positive ID ..... but the exercise and learning to do this is much more valuable than the end result for me.

The coin has a double circle on the reverse ...... as correctly stated by svslav ..... so this eliminates KM-301.5 and KM-301.6.

Sooo ....

KM-301.4 has a large star on the obverse left flag ..... check! .... but 6-pointed stars separating the legend. Negative based on my worn coin .....

KM-301.3 has a small star on the obverse left flag ..... Negative.

Km-301.2 has dots separating the reverse legend .... Negative.

KM-301.1 has three dots separating the reverse legend .... Negative.

KM-301 has an obverse with large flag .... Check .... and a reverse with small florals separating the legend .... Check.

Soooo .... at the end-of-the-day ..... and based on what I can see with the coin in hand ...... I agree with svslav.

That said ..... I still believe the coin is Brass ..... So I am calling this KM-301a.

I still have two more of this style 10 Cash to ID ..... plus 4 with dragons on the obverse.

What great Fun!

Many Thanks for all the Help.

David



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Sap ....

Please know that your taking the time to post links to the history of these coins are a great source of learning for me.

I truly value and appreciate your input and please continue to help a newbie to grow.

Many Thanks Sap

David
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If the coin is brass KM-301a, that I think should worth a whole lot more than the common copper? I don't know the exact weigh to verify it. Good catch svslav for making sure that's what it was!
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