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 Posted 06/09/2010  04:59 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add afornaini to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Good morning. I need your help. I am not very good in grading coins, even because I live in Italy, and we use a different scale than yours.
I could have the chance to offer for this coin. Do you think it is worth it?
Thank you! Here are the pictures:

20-Cents-1858
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 Posted 06/09/2010  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That image looks like it was taken from a coin catalog or otherwise post processed in some way.

It lacks the contrast required to make a grade call and if it's real I could only say EF-40 because I can't see the wear detail on the high points or make out any luster so would err on the side of caution.

The image also doesn't give enough detail to make out if there has been any dipping or cleaning.
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 Posted 06/09/2010  09:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add afornaini to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your answer. You are right, the picture was taken from a catalog.
May I ask? I thought that a reasonable bid for this was about 80 euros. Do you think that it is a good offer?
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 Posted 06/09/2010  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Personally I wouldn't take 80 Euros for this coin with this much detail. If I were selling and EF-40 I'd expect 180-200 Euros. If you got one like this for 80 you did very well.

Provided the coin is problem free of course.
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 Posted 06/09/2010  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malibu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd go lower, probably a VF20 or VF30 as per:

http://www.coinoisseur.com/VF-20_Vic1.jpg

and priced around CAD100 as per:

http://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins...r=Rechercher
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 Posted 06/09/2010  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think you need to add contrast to that picture to understand what I mean abut detail.
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 Posted 06/10/2010  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add afornaini to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your replies. I will make an offer. The auction ends on 1st July. I will let you know if I win this coin.
I have another question. I use as a reference book the Charlton's Canadian Coins. Is it good? Even for pricing tables?
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 Posted 06/10/2010  08:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pricing not so good, in terms of reference it's the everyday standard. Most coins sell below what they list but not all.
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 Posted 07/09/2010  06:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add afornaini to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't win the auction. It was sold for 138 euros.
I brought home a 5 cents 1874. I need, if possible, some help with grading it. It is in a new topic. Thank you
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 Posted 07/10/2010  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say VF-30 tops, it just isn't sharp enough to be an EF.
The selling price is probably about right, assuming it isn't cleaned
or marked up with a bunch of little scratches. It's hard to get full
book value for 20 cent pieces these days, and the Euro has lost a lot
of strength against the CAD.
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 Posted 08/13/2010  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrCanada to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One of my favorite coins , there are only 116,000 not melted undervalued for sure.
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 Posted 08/14/2010  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1cent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MrC, there was a well researched article in the CN Journal sometime last year I believe,
which concluded the existing population may be quite a bit lower than that even.
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 Posted 09/29/2010  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrCanada to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I get CCN but don't remember seeing that article any one know the month?
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 Posted 09/29/2010  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wrote the article. It was in one of the Canadian Numismatic Journals from last fall. I just don't remember whether it was Sept, Oct., or Nov.
http://www.victoriancent.com

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 Posted 03/16/2013  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That coin has a very good strike on the reverse.
Good detail on obverse'
Charlton has a half page devoted to the grading of 1858 coins--Pagexviii-ed.63
I vote EF40-$240 us
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 Posted 03/19/2013  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lambecolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rob turner's article proves the total survivor count is approx. 7300.
That equates to roughly 1 coin per 1,800 households in Canada.
This is 2009 information and all pricing should jump as the information spreads.
Never part with your treasure !!
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