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Dollar Bill With No Washington Portrait.

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 Posted 06/15/2010  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coins92 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh good...I was preparing my troll hunting spear. I almost had to get it out a couple of weeks ago.
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 Posted 06/15/2010  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ancosa88 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I mean, what would I gain out of trolling a coin/paper money forum? Not only do I not collect coins or paper money but what would I get out of it? You can check my IP, I'm not a member with two accounts who could get some lulz out of seeing members get excited. W/e though, thanks for the help but I'll leave the forum for now and just check to see if there are any other posts from members who may have seen this error before. Thanks again
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 Posted 06/15/2010  10:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ancosa88, I really don't 'think' that anyone is accusing anyone of lying about the story. Our general consensus is though, that such an error is not possible. Paper money can keep its new appearance for a while under certain circumstances, and to find 'altered' notes (which most of us feel that it is) in new condition would not be an impossibility. My view is that coin and currency 'dealers' should know immediately that the note is altered and worth nothing more than novelty value of $10 maximum. Any dealer who could not identify such a note as being tampered with, really should not be dealing in coins and currency, but, I have little doubt but there are a few of them running around. To run into three or four of them in a row is highly coincidental, but stranger things have happened I guess. I would not recommend that your grandfather return for pictures, as he may be met by an irate (but possibly smarter now) dealer who wants his money back. What I (and I imagine that most others here) do not believe is that the note is a printing error. The story, although questionable, is believable; it is the note that is not.
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 Posted 06/16/2010  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are 2 possibilities here that I can think of may be more as long as it's legit.

1)Insufficient ink
2)Some sort of "obstruction" error.

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 Posted 06/16/2010  08:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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everything else was perfect, but there was no face inside the Oval where Washington's face normall is


Sorry Ceylon, neither of those notions is even remotely possible.
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 Posted 06/17/2010  06:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
zee,
FYI - here are 2 examples of insufficient ink errors. My understanding is that this type of error is diff for each occurrence meaning no 2 will look the same. I have seen one in person where 1/3 of the note is missing the black ink (left side).

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ink-75961801

http://bneelycoinrarities.com/image...r-L3767A.jpg

If the links do not work - Google "insufficient ink currency error' and look at some of the hits that show up.

As per obstruction - Here it would have affected another part of the note. Keep in mind that this person is relaying 3rd hand info IF ANY of this is legit on the OP.

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 Posted 06/17/2010  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FYI ? Evidently, your understanding is also that I just fell off of the turnip truck yesterday.
The description (and I do understand that it is second hand description), of the note is not vague, nor is it that of an inking error.

Basic understandings of quadrant plate positioning, inking, embossing and intaglio would change your views of what is possible and what is not, when it comes to inking errors and just how many in a run will look the same.
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 Posted 06/17/2010  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to agree with zeewool, there is no way that this note could be caused by an obstruction or insufficient ink. The OP described the note as "perfect" with only the portrait missing. An inking error will never be that precise and the two notes that Ceylon posted show the randomness of inking errors. As described, the only possibility for this note is that it has been altered outside of the BEP and is not a legitimate error.

It sounds like grandpa got a great deal selling it for $200 but the dealer will eventually take a loss on the thing or pass it off to another unsuspecting collector
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 Posted 06/18/2010  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ceylon62 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bio for highlighting the randomness of ink issues which is my point. In this case it would have had to be the perfect setup / circumstances to have hit it at the center. Ergo, it cannot be ruled out if any of this info is legit.

Zee, as it relates to FYI in messages. In my career when FYI is used the answer is "yes I am aware of it" / Yes I saw that / or thanks for the info and not intended as questioning someone's intelligence.

Bio - Take a look at my security thread post down below for a "perfect setup" scenario in case you have not seen it.

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 Posted 06/19/2010  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add deadmunny to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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BTW, I haven't seen it myself at all.


That statement in itself says a ton.

This brings to mind -- I wonder what happened to the guy with the 1975 silver quarter? That one was verified in person by the forum founders with photographs.
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 Posted 06/23/2010  4:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mornstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My husband has a one dollar with no face. He got it in the late 80's when he lived in California. I have it sitting right in front of me. I am trying to send a pic but it won't upload.
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 Posted 06/23/2010  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How big is the picture file? If it is more that 100k, you will need to reduce the size.
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 Posted 06/23/2010  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mornstar to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't seem to get it small enough to upload it It is at 548kb? I don't do this every day so. I will keep trying, because I think people need to see this.
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You can use a free program like Paint.net or Irfanview to rescale the file.
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