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1941 Counterfeit Nickel Is It A Henning Or Cia , Kgb Tracker

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 Posted 07/11/2010  09:45 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add strangenickel to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I think I got this nickel in 2000-2003,
Its been in a jar since I got it! Only a few days ago after looking at it with a loop did I relize it is a counterfeit! After searching your form I dicovered about the Hennings! Mine is porous in areas
the nose is not filled in all the way and above the head is excess material.

On the front it has 2 pairs of side by side gold colored disc inplanted in surface when it was made, On the back it has a tiny gold
insert sticking above the surface,has grey- black material inside.
I am realy not sure what to make of this!
Should I turn it in to the FBI, or just keep it!

So please tell me what you think!

Thanks



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 Posted 07/11/2010  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could just be PMD, its hard to tell from the pics, but those spots could be brazing (brass) splatter that landed on the coin grey/black sounds like flux.

of course you have the coin in hand, have you examined it closely under magnification?
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Thanks

What is PMD?

The tiny gold disc in inserted on the front, are perfect circles,
3 of them have tiny copper circles in the middle of them.

It is very strange!

Could it be a Henning nickel ?

Thanks
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PMD= post mint damage, its an interesting nickel, IMO, its probably not a henning nickel, but that is just my opinion others may disagree with me.

Lets see what others think as the day progresses.
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 Posted 07/11/2010  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gutkowski to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forums strange and PMD = post mint damage
Henning counterfeited nickles from 1939,1944,1946,1947 and 1953
http://www.numismaticenquirer.com/T...0Nickel.html
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 Posted 07/11/2010  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add strangenickel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks


Here is close up of nose area, ares are not filled in too well!
It looks like the coin was molded insted of stamped



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 Posted 07/11/2010  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add strangenickel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Here is the back, See all the excess rised metal, around the M-O
and on top of the T-I, of monticello.

this surley is a counterfeit.


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 Posted 07/11/2010  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twincam_04 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
there's always the option of sending the coin to a TGP to confirm your suspicions
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Sending to a TPG will tell you if it is a counterfeit. Unfortunately, it will not tell you if it is a Henning (not that I am implying that twincam meant this). Since Henning nickels are counterfeit they do not certify them. In my opinion this coin is all PMD and here is why. First it is not a Henning. Henning nickels do have weak details like this and they do have raised spots. But the raised spots on Henning nickels are very small solid dots. On one Henning that I have without the hole in the are has a small dot directly above the building to the left of the dome. On other Hennings that I have with the hole in the are there are dots inside the M of UNUM. I have also seen dots on some other Hennings inside the letters of AMERICA. But the dots are small and solid, you almost need a loop to see them. The dots on your coin are the result of something pointed indenting the coin. This produces a round indent with metal pushed up around it. The coin circulated and wore making the raise part look like a raised ring. The raised metal around MO and above TI are also damage. You can see a depression below both of them. When the depression was caused it pushed up metal which then over time wore down making the depressions hard to see and wearing the raised area enough to look like they were struck that way. Sorry, but I think this is a worn down damaged genuine nickel.
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not at all, I was and should have clarified that I meant the TGP could confirm if it was counterfeit
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 Posted 07/11/2010  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add strangenickel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Pyrbob,
I Sincerely thank everyone for there opinoins.

Having looked at the coin with a 10x and 20x loop, I see no indication of of nicks causing the raised areas.On the back in the tiny areas in between the words Monticello,five cents and United states, How could nicks be worn down, But non of these letters worn down?
The next photo shows close up of top of head, in between the arrows
is excess metal, raised even with head and edge, where it should be recessed? Also the 4 gold objects, are are recessed into it,no edges
around them!
I think this is somthing you all would have to see in person!

Thanks thow!


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What does it weigh?
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Will we see it on the auction-block?
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Weight is the major key here.

A genuine counterfeit (HA! "genuine counterfeit"!) Henning will weigh about 10% more than a genuine nickel. Genuine US Mint nickels weight approximately 5 grams. Pyrbob is more the Henning expert than I, but the handful I have dealt with all weigh between 5.4 and 5.5 grams. The OP's coin does look interesting, but it is not a Henning.

I agree with the OP that I would like to see this in person! The extra raised metal is intriguing; might it possibly be some kind of solder? Would have to see it.
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Hello, Biokemist6 and Fioti,

The weight, I have no ideal, But it does weigh more than a 2000 nickel. But maybe all 1940's nickel weigh more than a 2000?

I would not put this on a auction block, Someone would have to see it in person before I sold it! I Need a coin expert to look at it
and tell me what it really is!

My luck, CIA tracking coin! lol
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I'll still have to stick with PMD but would love to see the coin in hand. TPG's are at large shows and will give free opinions. Is there ever a lare show close to you?
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