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Bob etc. have me paranoid. Could anyone comment on the authenticity of this coin? Thanks. Image Insert: Image Insert: |
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Anything written on the edge of the coin?
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Dunno. I just have these two pics. I'm hoping our wizards can divine the truth out of photons.
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the Liberty seems to be quite bold considering the wear and I think its the large letter Variety
I can see striation marks on the obverse coming off the stars (obverse and some on the reverse right hand side some kind of moved metal appears to leading outword. unusuall wear pattern what does the edge look like
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Yeh, just don't know. From those particular pictures it just looks a little suspect. Hate to worry you.
Is this a coin you are thinking about buying or have won in an auction already and are waiting to receive it or a coin at a shop, etc.?
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Thanks for your thoughts, guys. It's on an auction and I thought it looked suspect. The stars and the edge seemed odd. Unfortunately, there's no pic of the edge. If it's fake, then maybe some of Bob's and Fred's wisdom is rubbing off. If it's real, I'm that much more confused (but I might bid on it  ) |
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See the lines on the reverse going from the letters to the edge of the coin? Then on the obverse, as mentioned before by jim, there are those same lines coming off the tips of some of the stars going to the edge also. I would e-mail the guy and ask him to send you a pic of the edge of the coin. These are supposed to be lettered edge. Would be interesting to see what he says.
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The coin looks OK to me. I have not seen anything that really indicates a problem.
The die is late state and there may be too much wear to determine the Overton number. I would be interested in hearing more about the physical parameters.
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I have seen those marks on recent issued coins Not sure if filled die or what the gun metal gray looks right w/ blotchy pattern of alighter color. I have seen that all over old silver .. The (S) in epuribus seems to match up with the s in states just to the right as it looks in The Red BookI pulled out the Breen an dusted it off .. breen listes 5 different variations and or evaluations on this year . I thought it was a large letter .. I believe now its a Breen # 4698 normal Arrows short top to 5. Also on the small Date the 50 C. a little closer to the center of the eagle Edited by scoutjim99
07/27/2006 11:40 pm
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I just noticed the comment about the lines from the letters to the edge and the lack of well defined dentils at the edge. On some series these could be problems, but not here.
These coins were struck in an open sided screw press - not in a collared press. The dentils sometimes appear and sometimes do not usually as a function of how each die was made. Many of the Overton varieties are notable for having very weak rims.
The letters and the stars being "drawn to the rim" are also a standard part of many late state dies. When a die wears, the metal is eroded along the direction of metal flow. Die erosion lines that are RADIAL are rarely a problem - but non-radial lines or spiral erosion lines can point to a forgery. The appearance of these particular lines looks good to me.
I think I have determined that the coin is the Overton 115. The date is well centered with a blunt 1 and a low 3. Overton says "late die states show only light milling remaining."
The variety is a R-1 so standard prices apply - it is the Small Letter variety.
Regarding scoutjim's comment on the strength of LIBERTY - the Overton book uses the 1832 as the date for grading. They have pictures of 1832 coins from MS to G 4. Even on the G 4 every letter in LIBERTY is visible. Apparently on the revised portrait (starting 1832) LIBERTY never wore off. Based on Overton this coin grades VG 8.
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I believe this coin is an authentic O-101a. All of the diagnostics match up. This variety is a rarity 1, or common, occurrence.
Many of these coins show a lot of rim wear - even to the point where the milling is barely visible.
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well I guess between susan and swamper You defiantely have a good answer
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Thanks, all. I have so much to learn....
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texasmick - If you don't ask you never learn, but if you have any further questions or need a quick second opinion do not hesitate to ask. Someone will know for sure.
It is better to be a little bit paranoid than to own a bunch of expensive fakes.
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Hey, all: Thanks again for your help. If anyone is interested in bidding on this coin, go nuts: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...MEWA:IT&rd=1Bob: Thank you for your generous offer. Rest assured, I will take advantage of your knowledge and hopefully acquire a bit and pass on a bit myself. |
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