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Coin Weights, Measures, And Scales

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 Posted 07/27/2006  10:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The subject of coin weights and how to weigh them has come up several times in recent months. The weight of a coin will determine if it is a counterfeit or not, usually definitively unless the original specifications aren't known. The coin's weight may also determine variety and/or condition. A serious collector should have an accurate measure or scale if, for no other reason than to add a bit of professionalism and detail in auctions or sales, but it is not necessary to spend a lot of bucks on an electronic digital coin measure or scale. Instead, go to the nearest gun shop and buy a cartridge reloading powder measure. Or go to (where else?) ebay:
Powder Measures On eBay or Powder Scales On eBay Make certain the powder measure has a broad enough range for most coins, i.e., up to 500 grains.

Since original US Mint (I'm not certain about non-US coins) coin weight specifications are given in grains and most gram scales do not have the fineness to be as accurate nor specific, powder measures in grains are more suitable and inherently more accurate than other scales.

Powder scales or measures (there's a technical difference, but academic for this discussion) are mechanical or electronic/digital. They can be very expensive or relatively inexpensive. On ebay, there's some digital scales as low as ten bucks. I use an old RCBS 5-10 balance beam scale which cost $30 in 1980, still works well and accurately down to a tenth of a grain, and doesn't have electronics nor batteries to burn nor wear out. The same scale now sells new for $60 at retail, but can be obtained for less on ebay. I personally prefer mechanical measure/scales because they are more rugged and less prone to damage during my travels. YMMV. Additional note: many modern general purpose digital scales will present weights in grams, grains, or ounces, selective.

I have often considered a small study to determine the condition of Morgan silver dollars by weight. A Mint State silver dollar of any vintage up to 1971 (clad and <90% silver not included) fresh off the press will weigh, by Congressional dictum 412.5 grains**. An 1879-CC Morgan I have which grades at G-06 weighs 398.2 grains, so there's plently of room for weights of grades in between. I just haven't followed up with this notion. BTW, a counterfeit Morgan I have weighs 380 grains, a very definitive difference from an authentic Morgan.

For your reading pleasure and critical comments,
Fred

**Some room for interpretation here with the Coinage (or Mint) Act of 1792 and Act of January 18, 1837 together with the relatively crude means for stamping coins in the late 1700s and early 1800s resulting in varying weight from coin to coin, but this discussion is best left for a separate topic.
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 Posted 07/27/2006  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fengk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those are actually really cheap compared to what I thought they'd be.
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 Posted 07/27/2006  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChristinaM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent Fred! My father has an RCBS balance beam scale that he uses for reloading.(I guess I should say he did use it for reloading )
thanks
~christina
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 Posted 07/27/2006  11:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great info thanksfor sharing
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I should add a few qualifiers for the benefit of my fellow Nitpickers' Guild members. The coin scales and measures I researched for this article all measured in grams-only for the "less" expensive scales (range $40 to $150, the latter being most common). They guarantee accuracy only to 1/10th gram which would make a silver dollar showing a weight of 26.7 grams with an actual range of 393.5 to 415.1 grains, plenty of room for error and misdiagnosis. Of course, the more expensive ($400 and up) digital coin scales would be more accurate and would guarantee accuracy to 1/100th gram, but none I saw measured in grains.

Further, not a single coin scales I viewed would weigh in measures other than grams (mostly) with the more expensive being selective for grams, ounces, or pennyweight. None measured in grains, yet at least for US coins, this is the legal specification weight unit for coins. (I might add that for cartridge reloaders of which I am one, a tenth of a grain can make a HUGE and potentially fatal difference in breach pressures, especially for pistols. Use of a scale which measures only in grams for reloading is inconceivable because there is so much room for error.)

To make your own calculations, 1 grain = 0.0648 gram. One gram = 15.4321 grains. These formulae apply equally to Avoirdupois, Troy, and Apothecaries' Weights. For the engineers and statisticians out there, significant digits beyond tenths and hundredths are generally meaningless, but are included for calculation purposes.

I cannot account for the difference between costs of powder measures/scales and coin measures/scales except to speculate the manufacturers might think numismatists have more money than reloaders. I can personally testify that this is not universally true: zero money equals zero money whether I'm (not) spending it on coins or (not) spending it on cartridge reloading.

Fred
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 Posted 07/28/2006  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I can add my Two Cents regarding a scale that can be VERY useful. The Ohaus 311 scale is accurate to 1/100th of a gram and can be used for Specific Gravity measurements. None of the other scales provides that capability. There are usually a couple on ebay but right now only one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/OHAUS-CENT-O-GR...ES_W0QQitemZ160012061808

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 Posted 07/28/2006  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bob, any beam balance can measure specific gravity. Since SpG is just a measurement of weight of an object in water, it's only a matter of the scales having the right shape to be able to dangle the object into a container of water. See for technique:
http://www.union.edu/PUBLIC/GEODEPT...KH2/KTH2.htm

While the Ohaus 311 costs $145 new, it's nice to know they can be had on ebay for a lot less. Still, this particular model measures only in grams, not real useful for coin weights (unless measuring SpG) without some mathematical conversion (at .01 gram accuracy, the 311 is suitble for coins); Ohaus does sell models which can be ordered to measure in grains, but there's the price problem again.
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 Posted 07/28/2006  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This model has the movable free arm that can be placed above the pan so that a pan of water can be positioned to dangle the coin in the water very easily with nothing else needed. Most of the other scales have to be jury rigged like the picture on your reference site to do the test. This one is made for it.

For world coins grains is not the normal weight required. To get a grain weight every Krause reference would have to be converted. I guess you use what you need. But if this scale was in grains, I would just meake the conversion - one step.

I got my Ohaus on ebay for about $25 (about $40) delivered. It was brand new and works perfectly.
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I use a veeerrryyy old mechanical gravity gram scale that I bought in Germany many many years ago. Since I don't really care to be super accurate, if it is close enough, it's real and it is good for me--

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