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New: RCM 1/2-Gram Pure Gold Proof

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 Posted 07/18/2010  6:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add defone to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
http://www.mint.ca/store/coin/0.5-g...0-prod980010

I've never seen a pure gold proof less than 1/25 oz. Has anyone else heard of a coin of this weight before?

Interesting coin, but am feeling a bit jilted now that the Mint's 1/25-oz. pure gold proofs are no longer their smallest.


Thoughts?




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 Posted 07/18/2010  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Like most NCLT these days, this is a first. At over $1200+ an ounce, the RCM is still trying to provide an affordable pure gold coin to collectors. And this is legitimate.

Extremely small at 11mm, this coin is even smaller than a silver 5 cents (15.5mm). Too small for me to read the legend I'm sure.

Such a high mintage of 15,000 is a problem... according to my DTE (Dud Threshold Estimate) mintage of 7,500 or less would have provided the scarcity required to maintain its price on the secondary market. I don't predict a sell out.

But I've been wrong on occasions.



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 Posted 07/18/2010  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lorax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
so $20 worth of gold, $55 worth of premium. I could see trying to collect all the gold coins from RCM and thus, wanting this one, but it doesn't seem useful beyond that.
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 Posted 07/18/2010  10:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add defone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Despite the mintage (and price), I don't think sales will be a problem; all of the 1/25-oz. gold coins have sold out at higher mintages and I don't think the 2010 issue will be any different.

Am curious about this one.


(What is 'NCLT', btw?)
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 Posted 07/19/2010  12:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NCLT : Non-Circulating Legal Tender.

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 Posted 07/19/2010  05:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oasis to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Perth Mint in Australia recently put out a 0.5 gram gold coin:

http://www.perthmint.com.au/catalog...in.aspx.aspx

Only $50 Australian. An 'affordable' collectable as long as you don't mind paying $3110/ounce for gold. :)
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07/19/2010 05:24 am
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Usually we would be getting "scammer" or "bad dealer" posts for their close to 400% markup. What makes this legit?
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 Posted 07/19/2010  10:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add defone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
^ It's a numismatic piece; limited mintage, etc.
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 Posted 07/19/2010  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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Usually we would be getting "scammer" or "bad dealer" posts for their close to 400% markup.


How did you arrive at 400% markup?

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 Posted 07/20/2010  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add defone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At a price of $1200/oz, the metal content of the coin is about $20; the Mint's price of $74.95 should represent a premium of 275% above spot.

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 Posted 07/20/2010  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

But this is not a markup.

Markup, is a percentage added to the *cost* to arrive at a selling price. Like any other manufactured product, production costs will easily surpass the intrinsic value - particularly on smaller coins.

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I doubt the production cost of this coin is near 75 bucks. The mint makes money on these items... being a business and all that.

The small 1/20, 1/25th or whatever the they are gold coins are relative newcomers... cowboy, wolf, voyageur, beaver(plane), caribou, Louis'sss series, etc etc are produced as collector coins. As the RCM is becoming infamous for... a plethora of collector coins(the Beanie Baby Marketing Mentality/BBMM)... often over priced and decreasing in value with time(<This fact is verifiable in Charlton's and other coin guides). The mintages, as previously mentioned, are not even that low.

As with other gold coins... such as the $100 and $200 RCM gold collector coins, the premium evaporates over time and they trade as bullion, or slightly above... but the extravagant initial collector cost vanishes. Although, the price of gold has risen, so those who are chosing to now sell some of these items are now breaking even. There are/were some exceptions to this and a few coins still command well above spot... being lower mintages/less demanded subject matter.

I, of course, can not guarantee that these facts will also affect these tiny gold coins... but if I ever buy one of these pieces, it will be years after it's initial production and not much above spot.

>>> edit >>> I am not trying to belittle any RCM collector or anyone else for that matter. Perhaps if the Dehavilland Beaver Bush Plane were a larger part of my upbringing, I would like to get one in gold coin form... but being the shrewd, sceptical, cynical, me I am... I'll wait for a better deal.
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07/20/2010 6:28 pm
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As with other gold coins... such as the $100 and $200 RCM gold collector coins, the premium evaporates over time and they trade as bullion, or slightly above... but the extravagant initial collector cost vanishes



^ Seems logical, but the fact is, the price of these (1/25-oz. gold) coins in coin shops/online dealers and on ebay is always well above the original Mint issue price - and they still sell.
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07/20/2010 11:45 pm
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I doubt the production cost of this coin is near 75 bucks.


Better not be. This is the retail price... I don't know what their cost is but for good margings its got to be less than $20.


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The mint makes money on these items... being a business and all that.


Nothing wrong with profit... Offer and demand, pure and simple.

In the end, nobody forces us to buy this stuff.

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