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7 Roman Silver Siliquas (I Think) A Little Help...

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 Posted 07/19/2010  3:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jeff 11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was hoping prehaps someone with a sound knowledge of ancient coins could help me with this group of 7 Roman Silver siliquas.

Most are in excellent grade, and are really attractive pieces. Any info on dates and types would be very helpful!



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 Posted 07/21/2010  09:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#1 is Valens: 375-378 AD - D N VALENS P F AVG / VRBS ROMA, Roma seated left on cuirass, holding Victory on globe spear. TRPS. is the Trier mint.

#2 is Gratian: 375-378 AD - D N GRATIANVS P F AVG / VRBS ROMA, Roma seated left on cuirass, holding Victory on globe and spear. TRPS. is the Trier mint.

#3 not 100% sure. Reverse is CONCORDIA AVGG(G)?, the mintmark again looks to be Trier. I would guess at Valentinian II, Theodosius or Arcadius?. Odd coin as the legend on the bust seems to run out of space at the end and is maybe even missing a few characters?

If genuine - I had a few doubts at first but now think they are fine, hopefully others will offer their opinions, the first two would in my opinion be worth £50GBP+ each.
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 Posted 07/21/2010  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jeff 11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks very much Bobbyhelmet, thats a great help. I showed them yesterday quickly to a dealer that knows a fair deal about ancients just for a quick opinion, he was happy they are genuine. I'd be interested to hear any opinions or info you have on the other 4.
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 Posted 01/13/2011  8:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CanadianCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They look good to me.Great shape:))
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 Posted 01/15/2011  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nikola to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#3 My guess is that it is Theodosius I , rev:CONCORDIA AVGGG,Mintmark TRPS .
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 Posted 01/15/2011  10:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Meldercat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, Here are a couple of my Siliquas.

Valens RIC 27b. Mint TRPS.

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Eugenius RIC 32c. Mint MDPS. My understanding is this coin is extremely rare. One of my favorites!

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 Posted 01/16/2011  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CanadianCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those two don't look right.....
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 Posted 01/16/2011  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Meldercat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those two don't look right ....

How's that?
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 Posted 01/16/2011  01:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Meldercat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope they are real. The specs on both are correct. They compare to others I have researched.

Eugenius AR Siliqua. DN EVGENIVS PF AVG, diademed, draped bust right / VIRTVS ROMANORVM, Roma seated left on cuirass, MDPS below. Weight 1.6 grams. Dem. 16 to 17 mm.

Valens AR siliqua. D N VALENS P F AVG, diademed, draped and cuirassed bust right / VRBS ROMA Roma seated left,
holding Victory & scepter, TRPS in ex. Weight 2.1 grams. Dem. 17 to 18 mm.
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 Posted 01/16/2011  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CanadianCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You probably know more about them than I do.....The dark patina with the heavy wear of high points is contradictory to me and the letter look a bit thick on the obverse of the last one...But you've obviously collected more roman silver than I.
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 Posted 01/16/2011  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Meldercat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Hey, don't get me wrong, I appreciate the feedback on any item I post. That is the purpose of the forum. It's about open discussion. Considering the Eugenius is a $1,500 coin you gave me a fright. A few years back I purchased a collection from an old time collector. These coins were in the lot. All the coins were in the old manila 2 x 2 envelopes. I would bet that he didn't look at them for years. Over half were not attributed. It took me close to 4 months to get through the group. I still find surprises thanks too the forum.

Thanks again for your input.
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 Posted 06/08/2012  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Siliquae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The #3 is MAGNUS MAXIMUS for treveri
Siliqua, 383-388, R4
Obv: DN MAG MA-XIMVS PF AVG
pearl-diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right
Rev: CONCOR-DIA AVGGG //TRPS
Constantinople enthroned, helmeted, draped, facinf looking right.
le pied sur une proue de navire, tenant un sceptre long de la main droite.
RIC 83c, RSC1

Nice shot !


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Magnus Maximus is right. I'm surprised so little has been said about the mintmarks. TR is Trier and MD is Mediolanum (Milan). Who is going to research the meaning of the PS that all the marks end with?

I have very few siliquae (another of those denomination names made for collectors but not proven by ancient use). They can get expensive unless damaged or clipped to reduce the silver. Please don't pay full price for coins that were trimmed down. Many are available either trimmed or with nasty cracks that should reduce the market price quite a bit.
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 Posted 06/08/2012  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eng5858 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


jeff11,

Wow that's some eye poppers. very nice , I've wanted one of these for a while, I'll have to save up my Ancient's...
meldercat, very nice........... to both of you....
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 Posted 06/10/2012  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Siliquae to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
dougsmit wrote :

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Magnus Maximus is right. I'm surprised so little has been said about the mintmarks. TR is Trier and MD is Mediolanum (Milan). Who is going to research the meaning of the PS that all the marks end with?


The last letter (P, S, T, Q.....) is the letter of the officina (Prima, Secunda, Tertia et Quarta....).

before the officina, the letter "P" is "Percussa" that you can translatte by "struck".

TR P S = coin from TREVERI (TR) struck ("P") by the 2ème officina ("S")

Mintmark "PLON" is "struck ("P") in London ("LON")"



Thanks to elagabal2000
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06/11/2012 09:57 am
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Your first coin is spectacular! Is that blue toning?
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