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Does Anyone Use The Major Auction Houses?

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 Posted 04/10/2005  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by coinguy1

Mike, on a practical basis the 15% seller's fee comes out of the seller's pocket, not the buyer's pocket.


This statement makes it sound like you are saying the seller pays the 15%. If I am reading that wrong, I am sorry. I thought that if perhaps it confuses a person who uses these services all the time, it may also confuse some who do not.
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 Posted 04/10/2005  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let me add one last thought. Coinguy1 is correct in his statment, and I understand what coinguy1 is saying. The seller does not receive the 15% buyers fee, the auction does. They also receive 5% of the actual hammer price from the seller.
I was only concerned that someone not familiar with the workings of the major auction houses may take the comment as confusing.
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 Posted 04/10/2005  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Based on Coinguy1's explanation I would expect to pay 15% less for privately sold coins! Since dealers bid on these coins as well, all of the associated fees are ultimately passed on to the retail buyer. After all for the most part who's doing the selling? My comment in the beginning was aimed at both buyers and sellers alike. Mike
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 Posted 04/11/2005  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For that last 20 years or so I have been staying away from these auction houses simply because of the buyers fee. I am now staying away from coin shows that have a admission fee of $3.01 or higher as well.

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 Posted 04/11/2005  05:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Mike

Based on Coinguy1's explanation I would expect to pay 15% less for privately sold coins! Since dealers bid on these coins as well, all of the associated fees are ultimately passed on to the retail buyer.


I can understand your thinking here, but most of the dealers who I see on a regular basis on the bidding floor do very little retail business. Most of the larger dealers trade actively among other dealers. Using my company as an example, we may sell 2 or 3 coins per year to a collector. This includes the coins at auction. Now as for buying coins, if you owned a key date, semi key date, or condition rare coin, where would you sell it? I often hear about using ebay prices and while that is all fine and dandy for common run of the mill coins, it does not do much for the key coins.
If you have the minimum dollar amount to qualify for the Bowers auctions, your key coin will do much better 99% of the time. Why? The answer is relatively simple. People trust Bowers and Merena. They know what they are getting, and they know who they are getting it from.
When I give advice to a collector it is the same that I use for myself and my company. When I spend my hard earned money, I want to know that it is safe. I only deal with reputable people based on my research. I would much rather pay a little extra to know "what" I am getting than get a bargain on "chance" material.

Lastly, dealers passing it onto the customer. That really sounds good on paper, but how many of you let the dealer set the price? There are way too many ways to check the value of a coin these days. If you are paying whatever the dealer marks on his coins without knowing the coins value, we need to talk I will recommend better dealers to you.
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 Posted 04/11/2005  06:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zakgold to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can't snipe (software) a major auction (i.e., Heritage), but you can make a bid within a minute of the hammer if you find that the bid price plus 15% is within your buy range. I have done it and done it for ONLY internet auctions only...never signature or show/bid auctions.
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