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 Posted 04/11/2005  04:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by national dealer

Ageka,

As one who has veiwed many thousands of coins, all substances leave a mark. Even acetone. While it may not look cleaned, it shows signs of running. Use different lights when viewing the coin before and after using the acetone. LED lights will show the running of the liquid. If using acetone to remove something harmful, I say go for it. It is better to clean than to damage.



I used to colormatch carpaint and interior car plastic for a time by wavelength measurement and computer matching
For visual inspection I had hot light , cold light, daylight, black light and UV light
What do you call LED ? Light Emitting Diode ?
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 Posted 04/11/2005  06:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add national dealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes. LED lights often show little details missed with Halogen lights, UV lights, or standard incandescent lights. This may sound like overkill here, but I have several light sources that I use when buying coins. Spotting the cleaning before it comes back body-bagged is well worth the time and effort.

Don,
While distilled water will not hurt the coin, it will also leave run lines. Now granted 90% of collectors will never know, and it may even pass by the graders most of the time, but anyone looking will see the tell tale marks.

Coins are not perfectly smooth. If you use the correct light and magnification you will see all sorts of little things on the surface of the coin. Running water, acetone, breathing on it will all leave little signs. Fingerprints are left on the surface immediately, but usually don't show up for some time. Now anyone who has taken the time to learn what to look for will see these little differences on the surface and pass on the coin.
I am not saying that no coin should be cleaned, because some need it. However, way too many state with fact that you cannot spot acetone or distilled water, and that folks just is not true.
Try a few experiments for yourself, don't take my word for it. Use a 10X loupe, use a few common pocket coins and dip them or run the following liquids over them. (acetone-tap water-bottled water-distilled water-olive oil. Then look at them with LED light, UV light, Incandescent lights, and Halogen lights. The proof will be there for all to see.
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I am not trying to knock what other people say about cleaning coins. Let me offer this. I see coins every day. I see more coins in a given week than most do in a year. I have made a living dealing in coins for almost 14 years. I take as much care in viewing my pocket change as I do looking at the ultra rare. For me, I find coins fascinating. The strike, the points of wear, the little details that most never see or realize.
I am simply trying to pass along a little of this experience to others. I don't expect anyone to take my personal experiences as the gospel truth, however, I would like to think that some will listen and make the attempt to learn the facts for themselves. Do the research, talk to others, try the experiments, learn the ins and outs for yourself. Collectors do not need to become experts, but they should have a basic understanding of hobby. This includes how to grade, authenticate, and spot the cleanings.
I hope that I can be of assistance in shortening the learning curve for some.
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 Posted 04/11/2005  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ageka to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well never too old to learn
I got several proofs which had ugly fingerprints on them
one is the 1984 olympics attached
I will look at it from al sides
I have green, blue and red LED's any one better then another color ?



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I use a "white" led lighted magnifying glass.
No. 9835SPL - 1-3/8" diameter, aspheric lens 10X magnification with LED illumination, especially for coin collectors. Unlimited bulb life.
http://safepublications.com/Catalog...#illuminated pocket

You have to get used to the blue tint given off on the silver coins, but LED reveals many flaws that are often missed using other light sources.
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