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 Posted 08/26/2010  4:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Piffin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have a couple of two headed coins. One is the Morgan "magic" coin they sell for tricks on ebay
Another looks like a double head proof from 2001, I think. It has Bush on one side and Gore on the other. I assume somebody was proofing the dies before they knew who won.

Anyways, I'm sure they are worth what I paid for them - both gifts...

But I am curious if anybody knows anything of interest on the history of this kind of coin. Is double faced proofing or errors known? Are any of these ever worth anything other than as oddities?

Thanks
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 Posted 08/26/2010  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add remmy1100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not errors and unless the one with gore/bush is made of silver, not worth anything.
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The one with "Bush / Gore" is not an official coin, nor a proposed design for one - US law stipulates the Mint can't put living people on coins. It'll be either a bullion round or, given its design, a "spinner". It's not an error - it's supposed to be like that. You could have played a game with it: "Who do you think will eventually win the election? Let's toss this coin and see."

While most double-headed coins are either two halves of two separate coins that have been spliced together, or outright fakes, there are a very small number of genuine examples in the series of certain countries. I believe there are three known Australian double-headed coins, for instance. It's usually very difficult to "accidentally" use the wrong die, because in most mints the obverse and reverse die blocks are completely different shapes - so it's physically impossible to insert a second obverse die in the place where a reverse die is supposed to go. To make a double-headed coin the mint (or somebody in the mint) would have to deliberately set up a special press just for that purpose.

Intentionally-made double-headed coins, where both the obverse and reverse of a coin have a portrait, are not unknown. There are plenty of ancient Roman coins, such as this example, with the emperor on the obverse and another member of the imperial family on the reverse. You occasionally see a similar arrangement on modern coins.
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If you check around there may be a magic supply place near you. If so, it's really worth the time to see all the different types of coins used in magic shows or presentations. There is such a place not far from me and every time I go there it is a real tuff situation not to buy everything dealing with coins. Lots and lots of two headed or two tailed coins. Some with people you wouldn't think would ever be on a coin. Hollowed out coins for the next smaller sizes to fit into. Magnetic coins and so many more it is really fun to buy a few. I've got some really great ones. And actually those all sell for a lot of money so yours could be worth something to a magician.
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 Posted 08/27/2010  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Piffin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is all just the sort of background info I was looking for, just to flesh out my understanding.

The Bush/Gore does appear to be silver, but it did come free along with other coins bought....so I assume nobody is giving away true value.

one funny story to go with it already. When it came, I laid it out to show the wife later.
We are both strong Conservative voters with no appreciation for AlGore.
Forgot about it and a week after that she came across it and hollered out loud, "Why in the world did you buy a coin with Gore's face on it!?!?!" because that was the side happened to be facing up.
I showed her the other side and told her the story and she calmed down.

Don't you all wish you could calm your wives just byu flipping a coin over?

:D
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... BTW... if the bush/gore coins does not say .999 fine silver or something like that, it is probably not silver, just silver in color or maybe silver plated. Neither have much value. Now in a 100 years a Presidential campaign collector may pay for something like that.
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Wow this one has political powder keg written all over it.
With these 2 candidates
I'm thinking that this one isn't a double headed coin but maybe one with 2 tails...If you get My drift
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The one with "Bush / Gore" is not an official coin, nor a proposed design for one - US law stipulates the Mint can't put living people on coins.

The law the created the State Quarters and the one for the President dollars both specifically stated that no living person could appear on the coins but there is no general law that forbids the depiction of a living person on a US coin. There is no clause forbidding a living first spouse on those coins, so if Carter or George Bush die in time to be on their coins Roselyn Carter and Barbara Bush could appear on the first spouse coins even if they are still alive. There IS a law that forbids a living person from being on the US CURRENCY. The US laws specifically keep those covering coinage and the paper currency separate.
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Otherwise we would have currency like Iraq did, but instead of Saddam, it would be Bush and Obama. **shiver**
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There are a few examples of a living person on US coins, although the only ones I can think of are commemoratives. The 1921 Alabama Centennial 50c commem featured the sitting governor Thomas Kilby, the 1926 Sesquicentennial 50c featured Pres. Calvin Coolidge, and the 1995 Special Olympics $1 commem featured Eunice Kennedy Shriver(the founder of Special Olympics).
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Yes so far the only coins with living people have been on commemoratives. And Eunice Shriver was NOT the founder of the Special Olympics. It was founded several years before she ever got involved with it. She was just a celebrity that made it her "cause". She promoted it and raised funds for it, but she didn't found it.
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I stopped by the magic shop yesterday and they had a two headed Morgan silver dollar for $100. I thought that was a little on the high side for even a two headed one. The two headed Ike ones are only $25.
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