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New Member
United Kingdom
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I bought a cartwheel twopence on ebay, which was sold as genuine. Today the coin arrived. Its dimensions seem fine, but for some reason on the rim the outer layer has a small hole in it, but through it a shinier metal can be seen and the edge is reeded. I noticed it because the coin itself has toning, but that part is brighter. Looks like this is some sort of fake coin. I took several pictures of the edge hole as well as both sides of the coin. Any comments, please? I am not an expert, but this doesn't look right to me. Thanks       |
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Valued Member
United States
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Is it possible it was in a bag with other coins (which had edge reeding) and got an impression? If not... counterfeit? I have no clue, just throwing out suggestions.
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Moderator
 United States
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 to the community I see nothing that would indicate that this coin isn't legit. This coin has seen circulation and I think as remmy stated it might have come into contact with a reeded coin at some point leaving that mark. As for the hole that could be a flaw in the metal or someones attempt to drill a hole through the could. |
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New Member
 United Kingdom
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Hmmm, it does not appear to me (as a non-professional of course) as an impression. Because it is slightly deeper than the rest of the covering as if it were another coin covered with this one. And also the mill-cogs (or how these lines on the reeded edge are called) are very sharp for an impression and exactly perpendicular to the rim of the coin. They are also a lot brighter than the rest of the coin
I don't know whether this actually means anything. I am just slightly worried that I was sold a counterfeit.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I'd be willing to bet that this coin has been held in an engineer's vice, the jaws of which could leave that kind of ridged grooving.
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Moderator
Australia
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I don;t see anything wrong or suspicious about this coin at all. It's got a few dints and scratches, but nothing out of the ordinary for a circulated coin of this size and weight. Quote:
Because it is slightly deeper than the rest of the covering as if it were another coin covered with this one. You mean you think there's another entire coin buried inside this one, which was carefully wrapped in a layer of copper then struck with the twopence design? Impossible. Who would go to that kind of trouble? If you were making a fake coin it would be far easier to simply start with a raw piece of fresh copper. Quote:
And also the mill-cogs (or how these lines on the reeded edge are called) are very sharp for an impression It's called "reeding". However, getting hit sharply on the rim by another coin with a reeded edge would produce this exact same effect. Quote:
They are also a lot brighter than the rest of the coin That simply means the damage is relatively recent. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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My vote is with alganbagerap, that it's a vice or some kind or pliers with reeded jaws; doubtful that another coin could leave such a deep impression.
I also agree with the crowd that the coin looks fine otherwise, I'd be happy to have one like that in my collection.
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Valued Member
Canada
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The coin is pure copper, which is much softer than the bronze that we are used to for "copper" coins. It is a lot easier to damage it. Also, the technology for making the blanks was not as advanced as it is now, so occlusions and imperfect edges are common on this whole cartwheel issue, which was worth its full value in copper. Followig issues were made at a reduced size, so less problems. The discoloured (bright) marks are modern, showing the colour this coin would have looked like when it was new.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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These coins are made out of pure copper and they very easily bruise, especially on the edges, and that's why undamaged ones are scarce.
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