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New Member
United States
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I found this coin with a medal detector along with another coin dtd: 1286, which I identified in the World Coins book. But have not been able to identify this coin. Can anyone identify it?  |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Just curious - is this a beach find? Can you tell us roughly where you found this without blowing your "cover"?
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New Member
 United States
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Yes I can tell where with no problem in my cover. I bought a house in Medford, Oregon in 1972. In working the medal detector for practice in the yard hit a signal and dug up the 1286 coin as well as this one in the same place. Near that I dug up a registered choffers badge #3338 for Portland, Oregon. Sold the 1286 coin years ago.
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Moderator
 Australia
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It's an early Islamic silver dirham. The dirham was issued with much the same design for centuries, and you really need to be able to read archaic Arabic script to identify it properly. Stylistically, this one seems quite late to me (circa 1000 AD), but I'm having trouble telling whether it's from the West (Islamic states in Spain or North Africa) like this Hammudid coin or from the East (Afghanistan or central Asia) like this Ghaznavid coin. At the moment I'm leaning towards a Western coin, especially if it was found with a "1286" coin which was presumably from Morocco. I should also ask what the diameter is. I recall spending some time trying to identify this coin from Sind, not realizing it was actually much smaller than I was assuming.  Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
United States
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The diameter at the farthest is 21.19mm (measured with my digital callipers) with a weight of 3.15gr. I found another similar coin on a site "MA https://www.muenzazauktion.com" that was close in pattern being a Hammudids of Malaga, Muhammad I (1047-55 AD), Al-Andalus mint, 443 AH, Dirham, base silver, 20mm. Reading up on this it noted that "Spanish Umayyads follow patterns of early Umayyads", and that is where I ran into a brick wall not being an expert on coins. I am not an avid coin collector but have come across coins in the gem and jewelry business over the years and enjoy as much of the history as the coin itself. Thank you for your attention to my quest. Joe |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2120 Posts |
Sap, I have to ask. Do you have better books than the rest of us, or do you just have that much experience.
Either way. I must know your secrets!
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New Member
United States
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Lol, "NO" not that much knowledge or experience or better books, no secrets, just some luck in my internet searching in the quest to identify the coin. Have spent alot of hours on this coin and a Lincoln Wheat Back "filled die error" dtd: 195?s, with that last digit missing and seemingly "under magnification" natural graining where the digit should have been. So, no but feel flattered that you asked, put a smile on my day and I hope yours. Joe
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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That's a very surprising coin to find in Oregon!
Unless simply a lost collector's coin, there must be an interesting history behind it.
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New Member
United States
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I would love to have more of the story of how it became burried in a yard and near the choffers badge. The badge #3338 was for the year 1918, so it all may have been from the person that had the badge but only speculation.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Sap: I like your second choice. I have a current bid for a Ghaznavid dinar with Australian Numismatic postal Auction. Go to the 'vcoins' website, and into their search function. You will find quite a few similar illustrations of similar coins available for for sale from professional dealers from all over the World.
I recommend this site for anyone who is interested in all ancient coins: Greek, Roman, Indian, South East Asian and Chinese.
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New Member
United States
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Thank you sel 691 for the vcoins website info. I typed in "Dirham" and found 6 pages and viewed them all, some close but none the same. Will go back there today and see if there is another way I can search. Again thank you for the info. Joe
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