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Need Help In ID | Chinese "Horse Charm"

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thanks, and is it fake/real/undetermined

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Very few ancient Chinese coins had pictures of any kind on them. This one has a picture of a horse on the "reverse", so whatever it is, it's not a coin.

The green patina seems to be coming off in flakes. It... umm.. shouldn't be doing that. I suspect it's a fake patina, put on it to make it look older than it actually is.

One could guess that it's a Chinese Zodiac charm, for people born in the Year of the Horse.
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Thanks Sap.. probably that? maybe a souvineer?
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wow I though your were seeing THINGS, yep your righ I do see a horse, man your good ! j
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The green patina seems to be coming off in flakes


If was in ground, would it not have dirt or erosion etc? j
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lol... I was looking for the horse too
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If was in ground, would it not have dirt or erosion etc?

Yes. But the green oxide would be quite tightly bound to the metal, not peeling off like the paint on my house, leaving bright shiny metal underneath. Genuine patina forming on a copper coin over thousands of years should be much thicker than that.

See these examples on zeno.ru to get a feel for what genuine patina looks like on dug copper cash coins.

This bright green colour is very typical of cash coins from Vietnam. I've heard tales from folks that have been there that to make fake green patina, they take genuine coins that are too badly corroded to identify, crush them up, and mix the coppery-green powder with glue to paste it onto the coin (or other bronze artefacts they're trying to fake). The net result looks... well... just like this.
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This is a "Horse Coin", which is actually a charm. Schjoth lists 10 of them, of which this is not one. It seems to be a modern reproduction, or perhaps even a modern concoction. The characters above and below the horse could be the name of the horse. The inscription on the other side has the top at the right. I will post the translation later, when I have time to work on it.
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