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1923 One Dollar Red Seal...question

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I was just wondering if anybody knew the purpose of the 1923 "Red Seal" one dollar large note? It seems like the "blue seal" is much more common so I was wondering why they made the red seal. Thanks for any history lessons!
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 Posted 09/28/2010  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If someone does not answer you first, I shall Conner, but I have a few pressing issues to attend to first. Your simple question is not nearly as simple as it may sound.
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 Posted 09/28/2010  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1923 red seal is a United States Note, and the redemption statement under Washington's portrait reads:

"Will pay to the bearer on demand ONE DOLLAR".

This means that there is no guarantee of what type of dollar that will consist of, it could be a dollar's worth of change (ten dimes, two quarters and ten nickles, 100 pennies, a silver certificate, a silver dollar, etc, etc.).

The backing clause over the red seal is as follows:

"This note is legal tender at its face value for all debts public and private except duties on imports and interest on the public debt".

The 1923 blue seal is a silver certificate, and the redemption statement under Washington's portrait reads:

"ONE SILVER DOLLAR payable to the bearer on demand"

This means that a silver dollar (Morgan or Peace) is guaranteed as redemption for this certificate. (No pennies, no nickles, dimes or quarters or halves). One "silver dollar". (A silver dollar holds more silver content weight than a combination of change).

The backing clause over the blue seal is as follows:

"This certificate is receivable for all public dues and when so received may be reissued".

Silver certificates were backed by silver dollars until 1934 when they became backed by this redemption statement under Washington's prtrait:

"ONE DOLLAR payable in silver to the bearer on demand". This equates to any combination of dimes, quarters, or halves....(maybe even a silver dollar, although there is no longer any guarantee of that).

United States Notes were not backed by anything other than faith and confidence that the money was good. An act of Congress in 1879 limited the dollar amount of USN to $346 million.

Silver Certificates were issued without limits as long as there was one silver dollar in the Treasury to back up that certificate.

United States Notes were not issued in the same manner as silver certificates either. In many instances, the number of notes printed did not equal the number of notes that actually circulated. hey were often held in reserve for times of contingency.

For example, the 1928 $1 USN was printed in the quantity of 1,880,012 notes, but only 5000 of them were released to circulation in 1933 on Washington by blunder, and the rest in 1948-1949 in Puerto Rico.

The 1966 $100 USN star notes and all of the 1966A $100 USN notes were printed in the combined quantity of 640,000 notes. Only a very small number of each were released for circulation though, and the balance remained in the U.S. Treasury until 1996 when it was announced that they had all been destroyed.

I just reread your question.....I didn't answer it did I?

Okay, the USN were 'extra dollars' pumped into the economy backed on nothing but faith in the dollar. This was an efficient way of 'growing' the economy as well as the government.





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Thanks for that answer zeewool! Very interesting reading. I knew someone in the "community" could explain this to me.
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 Posted 09/28/2010  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that most folks were just at work, so I was left here alone.
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 Posted 09/28/2010  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Money to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've always wondered that too. So United States notes and Federal Reserve notes are the same thing? Then why did they issue them both at the same time in some cases? I see that you can collect both a 1928 Federal Reserve $5 bill and a 1928 United States Note $5...unless they released them at different times or something.
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 Posted 09/28/2010  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, they are not the same thing. The rationale for their existence is quite different, although their obligations are the same. I really think that I have addressed this before, but don't remember where or when, I will attempt to locate or redo if you wish.
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 Posted 09/28/2010  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From Wiki:

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The difference between a United States Note and a Federal Reserve Note is that a United States Note represented a "bill of credit" and was inserted by the Treasury directly into circulation free of interest. Federal Reserve Notes are backed by debt purchased by the Federal Reserve, and thus generate seigniorage for the Federal Reserve System, which serves as a lending intermediary between the Treasury and the public.

If I am not mistaken Kennedy really pushed the US Notes because they could print them without having to pay the Federal Reserve interest on their notes. Some say this was just another nail in his coffin because of all the money to be lost if the US Notes would have happened like he planned. This pretty much dies right along side of Kennedy
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 Posted 09/28/2010  11:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srjmrj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know virtually nothing about paper currency, but I was told years ago the color of the seal had to do with them being issued to American service men and the color was based on where they were stationed (Africa, SE Asia, Europe).

If anyone knows for sure, I would like to know also.
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I have never heard of that before but from what I do know (which isn't much about notes) this isn't true
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the color of the seal had to do with them being issued to American service men and the color was based on where they were stationed (Africa, SE Asia, Europe)


During WWII the seal color on silver certificates was changed, brown for Hawaii and yellow for North Africa/Italy. The thought behind all this was that if the enemy was to over-run and capture the banks/currency the US government could just declare all the corresponding seal color null and void thus making it worthless.
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Yes, this IS true, except the two theaters were Europe and the Pacific. Yellow for Europe and brown for the Pacific theaters (not just Hawaii and North Africa).
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Yes zee, but if you ever referred to the notes by those names no one would have a clue what you were talking about. They are forever known and referred to by their other names.
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 Posted 09/29/2010  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah........... 'I know' Nick.
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 Posted 09/29/2010  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Connor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everybody for all the information provided...very interesting. I really want to add the 1923 Red Seal to my other large note collection. There is so much history behind these notes.
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Thanks for the info
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