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Australia
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 Posted 10/17/2010  03:59 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add favs to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all, I'm new to the site, this will be my first post.I'm from Australia and collect mostly Australian and Commonwealth pre decimal coins. Can I please get some opinons on the coins in the photos, re-strikes, forgeries or originals.Sorry scans are'nt the best and I don't know the weight of coins.I do have my own thoughts, but it will not hurt to know what others think. I hope the pictures work, first time I've done this.

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Dutch-&-German-Coins

Dutch-&-German-Coins

Dutch-&-German-Coins

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South Africa
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 Posted 10/17/2010  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Zarboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum.

It will be very difficult to impossible to tell if this is real or not judging from the scans, the quality is just too low.
Weight plays an important part as well as the actual dimensions of the coin to be able to judge against the real data for the specific coins.
I am in no means an expert, there are many on this forum that should be able to comment on this, but I would as a first pass research the internet if there are known fakes out there, coins that are not valuable will most probably not be forged, as it is not worth the while of the forgers, so start at looking at what the anticipated value is, and if known forgeries excists, obtain pictures and match against yours.
Just looking at the pics, and not knowing the coins, they do look suspicious to me.
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Greece
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 Posted 10/17/2010  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add epop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the pictures are too small to judge but my filling says something is going on here with these coins.And I can say very very few times my filling was wrong.These coins are probably (99%) cheap Chinese counterfeits.If I have the chance to see them personally then I can tell you or sure.
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 Posted 10/18/2010  04:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add favs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry about the size of the photos, I'm unsure how to make them bigger, any help on making the photos bigger would be appreciated. I'm sure the coins are fakes as they were purchased in Indonesia, but I think the German one may be silver. I have other fakes bought in Indonesia but these two are much better quality, it just makes me wonder how many of these coins are being sold as real coins online and in other places.
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Greece
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 Posted 10/18/2010  09:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add epop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For old collectors is easy to spot those fakes because they are low quality counterfeits.But for new collectors or for people who never touch such coins is really difficult.I am a moderator in a Greek coin forum and I receive many emails from people who fooled or want to fool me.Before 3-4 months I saw a collection from a friend of mine who is new in collecting and 90% were fakes such as yours.My fiend get crazy.He bought them from an antique shop and thought that was a bargain.My advice to new collectors is to buy from well known dealers with 100%positive feedback.Nobody will sell you a 100$ coin for 20$.These are for the ''early birds''
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 Posted 10/19/2010  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jeff 11 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately the Bavarian Thaler, the coin in the first two pictures, is a base metal fake. Authentic ones can be found relitively cheaply, I in fact have some for sale, for between $50 - 120 elsewhere.

The second coin, a Dutch silver Rider coin, is a little harder to tell from the photos. If it came from the same source as the first one, then no doubt it will probably be a fake. If you go to coin shops / markets, and handle the real thing enough and compare with these, you will soon be able to tell the differences.
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